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From: immanuel litzroth
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:18:16 +0100

Once again... this is biting us too so we usually add the AM_MAINTAINER
mode ourselves. This scenario is 100% recognizable and a major source
of problems for us.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò

> On 07/02/2013 19:47, Stefano Lattarini wrote:
> > So you want to allow users to disable maintainer-mode rules in every
> > package?
> Yes. Where users here is "distribution packagers".
> > Better risk an extra rebuild than to miss a required one IMVHO.  Or
> > understand why timestamps get mangled, and fix that problem instead of
> > its symptoms (i.e., unnecessary rebuilds, in this case).
> Yes and no. In some cases, the problem we get is that the rebuild only
> happens in some circumstances, and thus the developer is missing it, but
> it happens on the users' systems, and then they report a bug that we
> can't reproduce...
> Basically, I want to have a build failure rather than a build that might
> be wrong.
> > I failed to understand what you're saying here, sorry.  Care to rephrase,
> > or give an example?
> I don't have an example at hand, but let's say this:
>  - you got a package that for whatever reason is completely messed up if
> generated with automake-1.12, but works fine with 1.9;
>  - when I'm rebuilding it as part of an ebuild (Gentoo's spec files
> equivalent, give or take), I declare WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.9;
>  - but I'm not rebuilding it in the ebuild;
>  - until I get a patch that I don't check thoroughly and messes up the
> timestamps;
>  - I still do not rebuild autotools in a controlled fashion;
>  - automake triggers the rebuild, and rebuilds with 1.12;
>  - I'm screwed.
> Variations can happen if for instance the configure relies on a variable
> that is not declared with AC_ARG_VAR (way too common).
> Yes, it's all solvable with more attention to details and similar, but
> since we care for stuff to at least behave, --disable-maintainer-mode is
> much nicer _to us_.
> --
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
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