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Re: "here strings" and tmpfiles

From: Robert Elz
Subject: Re: "here strings" and tmpfiles
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 07:49:34 +0700

    Date:        Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:25:50 -0400
    From:        Greg Wooledge <address@hidden>
    Message-ID:  <address@hidden>

  | Yes, just like here documents do.  And have always done, in all shells.

That's not correct.   There are shells that don't use files for here
docs.   Any application that relies on stdin being seekable is broken
(unless it makes that happen for itself) - the most obvious example
which is not seekable is when stdin is a terminal.

The same applies to any other file descriptor which is opened when
an application is started.

POSIX (XCU section 2.7.4) explicitly says (of here docs):

        It is unspecified whether the file descriptor is opened as a
        regular file, a special file, or a pipe. Portable applications
        cannot rely on the file descriptor being seekable (see XSH lseek( )).

Note: I am not suggesting bash should change - using files for here docs
is the way they were originally implemented (in the Bourne sh) (though it
had bugs, which could leave the files lying around in some cases).

However, using files for here docs makes here docs unusable in a shell
running in single user mode with no writable filesystems (whatever is
mounted is read only, until after file system checks are finished).


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