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bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buf
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Drew Adams |
Subject: |
bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer |
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Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT) |
> > 3. This *Char Help* buffer should not be popped up at all -
> > for ANY char that you type after `C-q'. This is a
> > misfeature.
>
> (Of course now you will claim that F1 is not a character.)
You can take anything you want out of context, if your aim is
to obfuscate. I have made it clear MANY times by now that THIS
bug is about `?', and specifically when it is not bound to a
help char.
I have also said, as in the quote above, that IMO `C-q' should
quote all chars, regardless of whether they are bound to a help
char. And I pointed out that this is already the case for
`C-q C-h' (to which you have nothing to say, apparently). But
I have clearly insisted that THIS bug is not about fixing that
more general problem too. I said that we can discuss that
separately, if you like.
(And yes, I also pointed out from the outset - not just "now" -
that F1 is not a char.)
Even the subject line summarizes this bug fairly well. The
only thing it does not do is distinguish (e.g., exclude) the
tiny minority of cases where `?' is a help char. It clearly
does not say that `C-q' must quote all chars.
And again, `C-q' DOES quote the help char `C-h'. Based on your
silence about `C-h' and your argument that `?' should not be
quoted BECAUSE it is a help char (which it is only rarely, BTW),
you seem to claim that `C-q' should quote some help chars but
not others. Maybe you would like to clarify that?
> > > _That_ is certainly not a regression, as Emacs have
> > > behaved like that since about forever.
> >
> > I also doubt that that is true. Certainly in Emacs 20 `C-q ?'
> > inserts `?' when `?' is not a help char. IOW, THIS regression is
> > not present in Emacs 20.
>
> Try with F1.
Again, "THIS regression". Search for "THIS" in the thread and you
will find that I've been very clear that THIS bug is about `?'.
> > And `grep' does not find "Char Help" anywhere in the Emacs 20
> > lisp or C files.
>
> It was just *Help* back then.
OK, I see that. But again, `C-q ?' does not show the help, in
*Help* or anywhere else. THIS bug is a clear regression wrt
Emacs 20. And, as mentioned, also wrt Emacs 22 through 24.3.
For none of those releases does `C-q ?' show help.
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, (continued)
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Leo Liu, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Drew Adams, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Daniel Colascione, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/04
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Drew Adams, 2014/04/04
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/04
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer,
Drew Adams <=
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Drew Adams, 2014/04/03
- bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/04
bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/04/03