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bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be
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Basil L. Contovounesios |
Subject: |
bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts |
Date: |
Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:52:19 +0100 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net> writes:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 07:19:04PM +0100, Basil L. Contovounesios wrote:
>> Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net> writes:
>> > Very well spotted. Actually, the latter is the right one—that is:
>> > Greek Tonos, U+0384—while the former, Greek Oxia (U+1FFD) belongs to
>> > the group that was deprecated. So it is the other way round: keep the
>> > former, and make the latter go.
>>
>> AFAICT the link you provided does not say anything about oxia the
>> standalone character.
>
> You are perfectly right. If it were up to me I would recommend to
> keep all those characters that were considered as duplicates. I quote
> here from this page[^1]:
>
> A false distinction was introduced to Unicode between the oxia
> (acute) and tonos, resulting in wrongly duplicated code
> points. See Greek Unicode duplicated vowels for a full
> discussion.
>
> So strictly speaking, oxia alone is not yet removed from Unicode.
[Are characters ever removed from Unicode?]
> But as alpha, epsilon, eta, iota, omicron upsilon omega with oxia were
> allegedly deprecated *and removed* from the Greek extended range, I
> would say that oxia alone does not have much to live.
Without being a Unicode expert, I doubt these vowel compositions or the
oxia itself are going anywhere. The only question is whether it is safe
and/or encouraged to replace oxia with tonos in all contexts, regardless
of whether classical or modern, and how Quail might do this. At least,
that's what I'm wondering.
> [^1]: https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Unicode_for_ancient_languages
>>
>> I'm still interested in seeing some documentation on this deprecation
>> that is not from digitalclassicist.org.
>
> That, according to digitalclassicist.org, of course. I will try to
> see if I find anything of relevance on unicode.org and report back.
Thanks for looking into this!
--
Basil
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, (continued)
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Eli Zaretskii, 2019/07/19
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Eli Zaretskii, 2019/07/19
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Robert Alessi, 2019/07/19
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Eli Zaretskii, 2019/07/19
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Robert Alessi, 2019/07/19
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Basil L. Contovounesios, 2019/07/18
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Robert Alessi, 2019/07/18
- bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts,
Basil L. Contovounesios <=
bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Basil L. Contovounesios, 2019/07/18
bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Robert Alessi, 2019/07/18
bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Robert Pluim, 2019/07/19
bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts, Basil L. Contovounesios, 2019/07/18