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Re: Files from gnulib
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Files from gnulib |
Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:06:19 +0200 |
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:24:11 -0800
> From: Paul Eggert <address@hidden>
> CC: address@hidden, address@hidden, address@hidden,
> address@hidden
>
> On 01/25/11 11:02, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > To read the instructions, you need to unpack the archive first.
>
> That may have been true years ago, when the tarballs themselves were
> the main way that one could find out how to do maintenance. But that
> long ago stopped being true for Emacs. If I wanted to come up to
> speed on how to build Emacs for MS-DOS, the first thing I'd do would
> be a Google search, which would point me at places like
> <http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-fr/EmacsForDOS> and
> <http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/MS_002dDOS.html>.
> If these places contain extraction instructions, that's good enough.
And what about the emacs-25.chg file? Would you expect users to
google for it as well, and copy-paste it into their shell window? I
hope you will agree that it's a very bad idea. So the file will have
to be extracted first, and you are back at the same problem as with
the instructions again.
> For example, it should be pretty easy to check emacs-25.chg
> automatically; is that done with GDB?
Yes, it is done. But it doesn't catch all the errors. More
importantly, the remapping file is maintained manually. See my
response to Stefan.
> > If the decision is not to rename these few files in the Emacs
> > distribution, and instead ask me to cope with these complications, I
> > will understand that the knee-jerk reaction of too many members of
> > this community when they hear "MS-DOS" is more important that any
> > voice of reason
>
> I hope that you don't include me in members whose knees are jerking.
I no longer know who is and who isn't. Oscar's was the only message
that sounded like a glimpse of light in the darkness.
> Personally I would just rename the files in gnulib and be done with
> it, as none of the name changes seem to be onerous. However, we don't
> seem to have consensus for that now; I seem to be the only gnulib
> developer who would go that route.
We are talking about renaming files in the Emacs repo. Why would
gnulib developers have any say in that?
> Also, the problem of non-8+3 file names does not seem to be limited
> to gnulib-derived files.
Yes, they are limited to gnulib-derived files. If you mean Org, I'm
sure those files will be renamed.
> All in all it sounds like automating the renaming on the MS-DOS side
> would be a reasonable thing to do.
Theoretically, yes. It sounded like that years ago, when it was
introduced into GDB. I feel much better now, thank you.
> This is a bit of work but doesn't seem that hard. And if we get the
> automation working well with Emacs we could then apply similar ideas
> to GDB as well, and make GDB development less error-prone on MS-DOS.
Who is "we" here, I wonder.
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, (continued)
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Paul Eggert, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Bruno Haible, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Bruno Haible, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Bruno Haible, 2011/01/27
- Re: Proposed gnulib renames, Paul Eggert, 2011/01/28
- Re: Files from gnulib, Stefan Monnier, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/25
- Re: Files from gnulib, Paul Eggert, 2011/01/25
- Re: Files from gnulib,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Files from gnulib, Paul Eggert, 2011/01/25
- Re: Files from gnulib, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/25
- Re: Files from gnulib, Jim Meyering, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Jim Meyering, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Jim Meyering, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Lennart Borgman, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/01/26
- Re: Files from gnulib, Andreas Schwab, 2011/01/26