Re: FW: Error compiling gnustep-startup-0.11.0 using gcc 4.0.0

[Nicola Pero]

> > > Does this seem like a reasonable solution? Considering the code isn't 
> > > supposed to be used anyway? Or perhaps we should really make good on our 
> > > promise to depreciate this code?
> >
> > I think it's a harmless change.
> >
> > It's a long time since I looked at the mframe stuff though ... so I'm not 
> > sure we can simply remove all of it (which would be nice), and my 
> > inclination is to just leave it in place and accept patches ... 
> > until/unless someone gets time to look at it carefully.
>
> Can you give an actual rationale for why you feel mframe should not be 
> removed, given that it is deprecated and seems to cause compilation problems 
> with EVERY new minor (not sub-minor) GCC version? Honestly, I'm curious to 
> hear why you think we should just keep band-aiding the problem incessantly 
> when it's the source of a lot of BS, and probably also a reason why some 
> people try GNUstep, fail to get it to work/compile, and then give up and go 
> use something else that functions.

Alex, you need to work on your communication skills.

I don't know about others, but to me your post looks arrogant and 
aggressive ... and out of place.

Did you actually read the post that you are attacking ?

You jumped in out of nowhere with a pushy and arrogant post attacking 
Richard, but it looks like you didn't really read the post you were 
commenting on.

Boy, you need to relax.  Sit down, turn on some music, have a tea.  When 
you're a normal person again (and not a fanatical angry werewolf looking 
for the next victim), you may want to apologize to Richard for your post, 
then make a mental note of trying to be a more friendly and cooperative 
poster in the future.

We are all interested in your opinions and in your help / suggestions, but 
unless you change the way you communicate with people, it's going to be 
very difficult to work with you.  It's impossible to discuss with you if 
you post with such tone.

My personal suggestion is that you should carefully re-read every post you 
do, and if you realize that you're posting an angry post, stop before you 
do.  Put your post aside for a while, relax, then work on it.  Make it 
milder.  Make it friendlier.  Consider the possibility that you might be 
wrong and you might not be realizing it; mention it explicitly in the 
post.  Remove excessive rhetorics, capitalizations, words.  Finally, in 
some cases it's worth not posting at all.  If you realize your post would 
just be an angry rant, you might want to abort the email and start again, 
or leave the matter aside and start tomorrow, or leave the matter aside 
until you can reason about the matter more calmy (which usually gives 
better results btw).

Also, angry rants don't change things; they usually make your suggestions 
look really bad instead -- they tend to polarize the audience on the 
opposite suggestion.  Good manners are taught for a good reason ...

Thanks