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bug#47634: Accompany .asc and .DIGESTS keys for the ISO


From: Carlo Zancanaro
Subject: bug#47634: Accompany .asc and .DIGESTS keys for the ISO
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:27:32 +1000
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Hi bo0od!

On Sat, Apr 10 2021, bo0od wrote:
Which implies that the signatures are sufficient, right?

Well this is simple question but the answer is sorta deeper, So i will answer with yes and no:

yes signatures are sufficient but signatures with PGP has problems...

I grant that this might be true, but whether or not to use PGP is a different issue to whether cryptographic signatures are sufficient to verify downloads. If we compare the projects you've shown as examples:

- Qubes provides hashes, PGP signatures, and a release signing key

- Whonix provides hashes, PGP signatures, and a release signing key

For verification purposes the hashes only provide transport integrity - they don't provide any mechanism to verify where the content came from, and because they're stored next to the images it's likely that any attacker who could manipulate the images could also manipulate the hashes. The signature provides a better guarantee that the image contains what the project intends to distribute (i.e. that nobody has compromised image itself). In this instance, the hash provides no significant additional value over the signature.

If we look at the Tor project (who, I hope you will agree, care about security), their download page[1] only provides links to PGP signatures as their sole method of verification.

I'm not convinced there's much value to add anything beyond the signatures, and I think there is some cost. Having multiple verification options makes the download page more confusing (by providing more choices to do the same thing), and may make it less likely that people do any verification.

I think there may be a larger conversation to have around using something like Signify rather than PGP/GPG, but I'm not familiar enough with Signify to have an opinion about that at the moment.

Carlo

[1]: https://www.torproject.org/download/





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