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Re: X and other visions

From: Soeren D. Schulze
Subject: Re: X and other visions
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:27:02 -0000

Ognyan Kulev wrote:
soeren.d.schulze@gmx.de wrote:
Please do not ignore or flame down me because I'm not so used to hacking that stuff. I think I'm experienced enough to GNU/Linux to know how a realization should not look like, and I'd like GNU/Hurd to be better.

It's good you are concerned with Hurd's future, but I think we have some more fundamental problems to solve now (like the 1.*G limitation for ext2fs).

I agree those problems are more urgent and should be solved before.
Even though I think it's not good Hurd development is continued on Mach instead of porting all the stuff to L4 before.

And while GNU/Hurd is not ready for that stuff, we can talk about technical realization. When GNU/Hurd is ready, everyone wants to hack, but the result may be unpleasing if no concrete realization ideas exist then. Have a look at GNU/Linux: It contains lots of really good software, but everybody only looks on the own project; so even the interface-independent features are always reimplemented instead of implementing them at their true place miles below, where they can be used by every-one/thing. If those things had been available from the beginning, a lot of work would not have been necessary and could have been used for improving the software itself.

Every Desktop Environment has its own handling of virtual file systems (which will become redundant in the Hurd) and URL openings (would be done by something like httpfs in the Hurd). Though these are not even things that are DE-specific. They would be also useful for other software - even text-based.

Such a situation is the result of enthusiastic hackers (though they probably call themselves "developers") of end-user software and an underlying system that doesn't fit the nessecities.

I don't want GNU/Hurd to be a such one, so we have to discuss _now_, before GNU/Hurd is in such a situation as GNU/Linux.

(I hope I've found back to topic well ...)


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