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Re: [PATCH 02/17] Enable silent builds by default if available

From: Guillem Jover
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/17] Enable silent builds by default if available
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:17:45 +0200
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)

On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 09:46:00 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> So-called "silent" builds are a pox upon debuggability and should never be
> the default.

I agree silent rules should never be enabled for automated builds, for
example on the Debian packaging, because that makes the build logs
mostly useless. But when someone is manually triggering a build,
and there's debugging needed “configure --disable-silent-rules” or
“make V=1” are always available. Also IMO the most important case is
precisely for the manual trigger, so that developers do not introduce
new code issues, which with the amount of output junk autoconf produces
it's pretty hard to spot. (In the gnumach case the situation is already

In any case if this is the maintainers opinion, I'm following up with
a patch that adds the infrastructure but disables it by default, which
is better than nothing.


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