Re: Questions on the interoperability between libc, gnumach and hurd servers

[Svante Signell]

On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 20:51 +0200, Richard Braun wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 06:16:46PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> OK, I wanted to keep all this on IRC to avoid creating public archives
> humiliating you, but you don't give us much choice, and there is in fact
> already many archived occurrences of your complete incompetence and lack
> of respect out there to make it really worse for you. Like Samuel, I'm
> baffled. 

What lack of respect? Lack of respect for what. Your sometimes not very
nice language? At least I don't call you names, as you do. And Samuel
does try nicely to answer my questions, but you only provoke.

> You've spent more than a year working on this system, and you
> still don't get the big picture of it, 

With Samuels writing about RPC things get clearer. I have not found this
written down somewhere before, have you?

> asking question such as why
> isn't setsockopt implemented in eglibc, 

I did not ask that, and it is not implemented there either, it is in the
Hurd ...

> or what are the powerful
> features of the Hurd,

Yes, where is the killer app?? Maybe when everything missing is
implemented, there might be some, or not.

> or even is this really a client-server
> implementation... 

I wanted to know more about the inner workings about the Hurd compared
to e.g. Linux, an Samuel answered that partly. What did you do: ask more
questions.

> And you're blaming lack of documentation for that ?!

The documentation has large need for improvements, admit it! E.g. in the
Hurd manual large parts are empty, i.e. no documentation at all.

> Seriously ?
> 
> I mean, you're really, seriously asking those questions ?!

Of course I am. Reading the gnumach, mig and hurd manuals (and your
master thesis) did not give me the big picture as the rpc.mdwn did. 

> From there, it seems to me you have two options here. You either keep
> working on stuff that doesn't require understanding operating systems
> (that is, you work on high level package porting, or you move on to
> another project that isn't an operating system), or you get to work
> and read and learn about them.

I'll do both. I'm learning this OS stuff slowly, and in the learning
phase I'm asking questions, especially when things are overly
complicated. What's wrong with asking questions, I even offered to write
down things in a (for me and many other people) clearer way, but that
does not seem to be of interest.

> Seriously.

Yes, sincerely.