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Re: Prospectives (Was: hurd: Add expected abilist files for x86_64)

From: Samuel Thibault
Subject: Re: Prospectives (Was: hurd: Add expected abilist files for x86_64)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 13:09:25 +0200
User-agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3)

Sergey Bugaev, le mer. 03 mai 2023 13:26:56 +0300, a ecrit:
> > For instance, we *do* need rust
> > implemented, otherwise we'll lose libgtk support, and probably soon
> > enough also libxml2 and whatnot re-implemented in rust.
> If that's your best example of a task that is not fun... :)

Seeing the result is fun, yes, but the task of reviewing all the gory
details of the libc ABI to make sure it's properly declared to rust, is
not really much fun. Hopefully codegen will make it not too tedious.

> (By the way, do you happen to know any news about what came out of
> that? Was there a specific person selected to work on the project? Is
> there a blog I could follow?)

We are waiting for the Google ranking. We will probably be able to get a
very capable student.

> > To put another perspective: I have been doing that less funny part for a
> > long time already. I can't do everything alone.
> I appreciate that! -- and I'm sure everyone else does. Are there any
> other tasks that are not fun to you that we could help you with?

E.g. fixing the remaining git and vim testsuite bugs.

Also, actually testing lwip with application testsuites to make sure
it's at least on par with what we have with pfinet, and integrate that
in the Debian packaging.

Also, reduce the memory overhead of rumpdisk, for now it's really very

> "the Hurd kernel is a steaming pile of crap that doesn’t function
> well, or sometimes at all, after more than 30 years of off-and-on work
> on it."

Yes, it's interesting to see how opinions on the Hurd are basically
never rational.

> > so the small fun parts are done. I have put some smallish items on
> >
> > https://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/contributing/#index1h2
> >
> > but that doesn't seem to be picked up, mostly.
> Well, I've done the "Fix our symlink translator" one and got exactly
> zero feedback on the patch in almost three years (other than "Thanks
> for working on this" from Josua).
> I understand that you don't have time for it, but we're not going to
> get anywhere this way. Maybe someone else could review and test out
> the patch, if you cannot?

I have been waiting for years for that.

I thought that would have been obvious, but apparently not.

> Maybe we could have monthly update posts on some official blog (here
> [1]?), where everyone would be welcome to write a few words (or more)
> on what they've been working on that month. Then we would share them
> on social media etc.

Well, yes, of course?

Again, it seemed very obvious to me that such initiative would be more
than welcome. Apparently not.


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