Re: Lyrics and \appogiatura \grace notes

[Erik Sandberg]

On Monday 20 February 2006 01.13, Trent Johnston wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Sandberg" <address@hidden>
> To: <address@hidden>
> Cc: "Trent Johnston" <address@hidden>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Lyrics and \appogiatura \grace notes
>
> > On Sunday 12 February 2006 12.03, Trent Johnston wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've found a bug with lyrics using both \appoggiatura and \grace.
> > > Lyrics are placed under the appoggiatura and grace notes rather than
> > > the main note. I've tried this in Lilypond 2.7.33 in both Windows and
> > > Linux.
> > >
> > > I've attached an example below showing this.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think this is the intended behaviour, at least it has been this way at
>
> least
>
> > since 2.4. Do you have evidence that lily's behaviour is incorrect (i.e.,
> > well-engraved editions which clearly show that syllables should be placed
> > below main notes)?
> >
> > BTW, if you really want syllables to be aligned to main notes, and you
>
> don't
>
> > want to wait, you can always turn off automatic melismata for slurs, and
>
> pad
>
> > the lyric voice with skips where appropriate.
> >
> > --
> > Erik
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> This is the first time that I have set grace notes with lyrics in Lilypond.
> If I had done so earlierI would have submitted the same bug message.
>
> My understanding is that grace notes (of any type) are passing notes, not
> main notes so the lyric should be placed on the main note.
>
> I've attached a couple of examples of what I mean. The first two are from
> the Bach Gesselschaft edition and the other from a Eulenburg edition of of
> a mozart score.
>
> If you look at any of the scores on:
>
> http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/symphonic.html
>
> Especially the Bach choral works you will see that the lyric is attached to
> the main note not the grace.

You convinced me, syllables should be typeset below the main note. I looked at 
some old 1.6 scores, they seem to work the way you suggest (but OTOH 
syllables were never aligned to grace notes at that time, IIRC).

The bug is present in 2.6 as well, so it is not critical. Some machinery might 
be added in the 2.9 cycle, which makes a smooth fix of this problem possible.

I added the bug to CVS as appoggiatura-lyric-align.ly:

%
%Trent Johnston

\version "2.7.35"

\header {
  texidoc = "Lyrics are aligned to appoggiaturas, when they should be aligned 
to main notes.

A workaround is to turn off automatic melismata for slurs, and pad
the lyric voice with skips where appropriate."
  reportedin = "2.6.5"
}

\layout{ragged-right=##t }

<<
  \new Staff \new Voice=foo \relative { a'4 \appoggiatura a8 a4 \grace a8
( a4) }

  \new Lyrics \lyricsto foo { a b c }
>>


-- 
Erik