Re: Barline scans

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Han-Wen Nienhuys <address@hidden> writes:

>> before.  If you want to see the images, they're at
>> http://doko.ebon-askavi.homedns.org:8080/1200 .  While the numbers are
>> different, once again Lilypond's barlines are far thicker than any other
>> edition relative to the staff lines: all other editions are in the
>> 100%-138% range, while Lilypond weighs in at 191%!

Congratulations, you found some lightly printed editions.  I am aware
that lightweight prints are (becoming) more common than heavyweight ones.

Possibly you are used to that light look, which is fine.  But this is
not the (default) style that we try to mimick.  I am sorry if you
think this makes LilyPond prints ugly, but it seems to me that you
stand alone in this.

I have put up two scans at lilypond.org/~janneke/scans, to show you
what we mean.  You may want to read our Essay on engraving, it has
something to say about blackness as well.

Peters
stem (=hair): 11px
staff line: 13px
bar line: 24px  (220 % of hair)

Baerenreiter
staff (=hair): 10px
stem: 12 px
bar line: 22 px  (220 % of hair)

The funny thing is, that LilyPond has

  staff (=hair): 1
  stem: 1.3 * hair
  bar: 1.9 * hair

so it seems that in our default look our bar lines are not as heavy as
Baerenreiter's.

> thanks for your input. i'll keep it in mind when i'm fiddling with fonts
> and blackness the next time.  it might be a good idea to tune the bar size 
> down a bit (say: to 1.75), but i'll have to have a good look at the output 
> first.

Well, we will also have to have a very good look at our Baerenreiter's
instead of trying to please this one person with his quest for thinner
bar lines.  Note that Marnen has stated explicitly that he thinks that
thick bar lines are ugly, so his input might be biassed.  Compromising
into making our bar lines a bit thinner is not going to make him happy
anyway.

If we want to mimick Baerenreiter, my quick scan suggests we should
tune it up from 1.9 to 2.2, but we'd have to compare good printouts
with the original.

Jan.

-- 
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <address@hidden> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien       | http://www.lilypond.org