Re: \parenthesize is not affected by \tweak

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

 Le mar. 29 janv. 2019 à 21:26, David Kastrup <address@hidden> a écrit :

> You are free to invent your own terminology but you cannot expect the
> manual to give authoritive answers according to what you choose to call
> things.


Ouch!
But thanks anyway for the clarification.

Le mar. 29 janv. 2019 à 21:29, Nikolai Hedler <address@hidden> a écrit :

> I'm an outside party here, but I think you would find some answers by
> investigating LilyPond's definition of "music object" further; it sounds
> like you're being tripped up by that.
>
> - Nikolai
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 15:07 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
> address@hidden wrote:
>
>> What I mean is that the manual does not says "music object".
>> What I mean is that "\tweak color #red \parenthesize c' " has the same
>> output than "\parenthesize \tweak color #red c'" -- weired to me.
>> What I mean is that in "c'-\tweak color #red -1",  #1 is not a musical
>> object according to my eyes, it is a music function setting the fingering
>> property on the music
>> object.
>> So, another basic question: is there any technical limit so that \tweak
>> could be applied to \parenthesized ?
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 29 janv. 2019 à 20:33, David Kastrup <address@hidden> a écrit :
>>
>> > Pierre Perol-Schneider <address@hidden> writes:
>> >
>> > >> Le mar. 29 janv. 2019 à 17:57, David Kastrup <address@hidden> a écrit:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Pierre Perol-Schneider <address@hidden> writes:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Hi Bug Squad,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > %% Snippet:
>> > >>> > \version "2.19.82"
>> > >>> > {
>> > >>> >   \tweak color #red \parenthesize c'
>> > >>> >   %vs:
>> > >>> >   \tweak ParenthesesItem.color #red \parenthesize c'
>> > >>> > }
>> > >>> > %%
>> > >>>
>> > >>> So?  The color also does not affect Stem, LedgerLine or Flag by
>> > >>> default.  Why should it affect the parentheses?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > So? Basically the manual says: " The \tweak command applies to the
>> music
>> > > object that immediately follows value in the music stream."
>> > > Considering your answer, do you mean that " \tweak color #red
>> > \parenthesize"
>> > > does not follow the value?
>> >
>> > It doesn't.  It precedes the value which is c' .
>> >
>> > > Do you mean that parenthizes are no object?
>> >
>> > The music object is the c' .  It is parenthesized, sure.  But it also is
>> > stemmed.  The parenthesization is not a music object of its own, it is a
>> > music function setting the parenthesize property on the following music
>> > object.  Which results in the following music object additionally
>> > creating a ParenthesizeItem (or whatever it was called).
>> >
>> > > I've already asked myself about that before sending the bug report.
>> > > Your answer does not make any clarification, sorry.
>> >
>> > --
>> > David Kastrup
>> >
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