Fwd: Re: Re: The Stem of Longa notes is short when Baroque Notehead style is used

[Simon Albrecht]

Again, Imre, please do not send messages to me personally. It has to go 
to the list.

Best, Simon



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Subject: 	Re: Re: The Stem of Longa notes is short when Baroque Notehead 
style is used
Date:   Thu, 31 Jan 2019 00:57:28 +0100
From:   Pothárn Imre <address@hidden>
To:     Simon Albrecht <address@hidden>



Hello, I was wrong about Finale, it does not have a Longa note. (I
used a breve note in 4/4 time).
Since this is a rather rare note - it appears as the final note in
Renaissance music, within the music it could be used only if the
editor of the music uses the Mensurtrich notation, otherwise, it is
broken up into two breves.
But I can send you old prints showing Longas. I send you prints from
almost all over Europe, Italy, Germany, France and the Netherlands.
The final note invariably is a longa with a long stem.


Simon Albrecht <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. jan.
30., Sze, 11:38):
> That sounds like a valid enhancement request, but you should back it up with 
> evidence (longs glyphs from other music fonts, or old prints/manuscripts). The 
> stem wasn't made that short by accident – it's designer had a reason for that 
> as well.
>
> Best, Simon
>
> > On 30.01.2019 - 03:53, Pothárn Imre wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, I suppose it's useless to try to argue, but that glyph might be
> > > supposed to be like that, but it is completely useless. I am posting a
> > > lot of Renaissance music on CPDL using the original note values. The
> > > final note is invariably a longa, which I have always substituted with
> > > a breve because of Lilypond's longa looks so bad with its short stem.
> > > In Renaissance music (i.e. everywhere where this kind of note-head is
> > > used as longa) the stem of the longa is as long as all the other
> > > stems. So this short stem is clearly wrong. But I since I can't force
> > > you to draw a proper longa, I must resign that I cannot use longa in
> > > transcriptions of Renaissance music in the future, either, since
> > > apparently you do not care. (And I think it's also useless to remind
> > > you that other engraving programs - notably Finale - have a proper
> > > longa, which I therefore used as a Finale user before switching to
> > > Lilypond.)
> > >
> > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> > > Imre
> > >
> > > Simon Albrecht <address@hidden> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. jan.
> > > 29., K, 9:57):
> > > > On 28.01.19 23:57, Pothárn Imre wrote:
> > > > > %% The stem length of the longa is very short when Baroque NoteHead style is
> > > > > used.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That’s because it’s not technically a stem, but part of the notehead
> > > > glyph. It’s supposed to be like that.
> > > >
> > > > Best, Simon

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