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Re: Odd interaction between ly:grob-property and hairpin

From: Simon Albrecht
Subject: Re: Odd interaction between ly:grob-property and hairpin
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:16:54 +0100

On 11/02/2022 00:50, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
When you get around to it, could you explain this? Maybe I'm
being dense, but it's not obvious to me. Do you expect it
to save enough vertical space that it will enable LilyPond
to cram more systems on a page?

Anyway, this might be a topic for the user list in the end.

It is, which is why I’ll only give a brief example here. Have a look at the first few bars at this: https://imslp.org/wiki/File:SIBLEY1802.14023.d867-39087011616572score.pdf

It shows various strategies of placing dynamics and articulations overlapping with the staff (without there even being strict necessity for some of them). All of these are abundantly common in 19th century engraving and enable far more compact layout. The issue can more severe in choral music due to lyrics, but in orchestral music there are more ledger lines, articulations, slurs &c. exacerbating the need for flexibility with dynamic placement.

Modern aesthetics often favour exact alignment, no overlapping and very loose spacing at the expense of huge increases in page count. I rarely agree…

Best, Simon

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