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Re: weinberg-drums-style doesn't comply with the Guide to Standardized N
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Jonas Hahnfeld |
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Re: weinberg-drums-style doesn't comply with the Guide to Standardized Notation |
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Thu, 02 Feb 2023 21:30:06 +0100 |
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Evolution 3.46.3 |
(CC'ing Alen Šiljak, the author of the weinberg-drums-style)
On Wed, 2023-02-01 at 10:09 -0800, Stu McKenzie wrote:
> I'm referring to the web page
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/changes/ where it is stated
> that
> "The drum notation style weinberg-drums-style was added. It is based on
> Norman Weinberg’s standardization work".
>
> This is indeed a sterling effort on the part of the development team,
> which I appreciate greatly. As Weinberg states, there is a definite
> need for standardization of drum scores.
>
> There are however a few implementation and documentation issues.
>
> The weinberg-drums-style is documented in "LilyPond — Notation Reference
> v2.24.0" at
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-percussion
>
> Section "2.5.1 Common notation for percussion", sub-section "Percussion
> staves" includes the predefined layout for "weinberg-drums-style. Based
> on the work of Norman Weinberg, published in his Guidelines for Drumset
> Notation."
>
> 1)
> On the first staff, Bass drum 1 (bd) and bass drum 2 (bda) are the same.
This has been addressed in 2.25.0, see the documentation of the
unstable release:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-percussion.html#percussion-staves
It will also be available in the bugfix release 2.24.1.
> 2)
> On the second staff, sidestick (ss) should be referred to as
> Cross-Stick, and should not have a cross notehead.
>
> The Weinberg book has a section on Noteheads, where he states "The
> indication of the cross-stick technique should be a circled notehead".
>
> I've been using my own notehead to date, but it would be great if
> someone could add a notehead to do this.
>
> In the past, I've had to generate my own cross-stick with the following
> code:
>
> CircleNoteHead =
> \once \override NoteHead.stencil = #(lambda (grob)
> (let* ((note (ly:note-head::print grob))
> (combo-stencil (ly:stencil-add
> note
> (circle-stencil note 0.1 0.2))))
> (ly:make-stencil (ly:stencil-expr combo-stencil)
> (ly:stencil-extent note X)
> (ly:stencil-extent note Y))))
>
> CrossStickQtr = \drummode { \CircleNoteHead sn4 }
>
> I'm sure that those who are familiar with noteheads can provide a better
> solution with a new notehead for this.
>
> 3)
> On the second and third staves, tom-toms are wrongly positioned.
>
> The notation documentation example has 6 tom-toms (toms).
>
> The Weinberg Guidelines book has a section on TOM-TOMS, where he states
> "The staff position for tom-toms depends upon the total number of toms
> required for performance".
>
> The book has examples of from 1 to 10 toms.
>
> The "6 Toms" example has:
>
> * Tom 1 on the top line
> * Tom 2 on the top space
> * Tom 3 on the 2nd line
> * Tom 4 on the middle line
> * Tom 5 on the 3rd space
> * Tom 6 on the 4th line
>
>
> The Notation example doesn't match this configuration.
>
> The LilyPond documentation for "weinberg-drums-style" has 6 toms, so the
> staff positioning should be (using the documented voice names):
>
> * tommh line 1 (I would prefer tomhh)
> * tomh space 1 (I would prefer tomhl)
> * tomml line 2 (I would prefer tommh)
> * toml line 3 (I would prefer tomml)
> * tomfh space 3 (I would prefer tomlh or continue with tomfh)
> * tomfl line 4 (I would prefer tomll or continue with tomfl)
>
>
> A standard drum kit usually has 3 toms, so dependant on the number of
> toms, one could implement a different style for each, e.g.
> weinberg-drums-style-three-toms, or name the current version
> weinberg-drums-style-six-toms and authors could use a subset as required.
I think tommh and tomh being the same is equally addressed. Changing
the other note names would be tough and quite a breaking change...
> 4)
> On the fourth staff, cymc & cymr are correctly positioned, but the
> others do not match the position & noteheads as detailed in the guide book.
>
> 5)
> If a standardized notation is to be defined, any variation to the
> standard would require a Custom percussion stave and a legend, and the
> ability to do that is currently available.
>
> _*Conclusion*_
>
> It seems that the weinberg-drums-style implementation does not reflect
> the Weinberg guide very well. Perhaps the implementation should be
> corrected or removed.
>
> Any change would require a "convertly" tool to convert existing notation
> to any standard defined. One would have to supply the "from" and "to"
> list for the conversion. This could be developed for the next stable
> release or it could be left to transcribers to work it out for themselves.
>
> I'm willing to help in any way possible to provide a standardized
> notation for drumset, which has been lacking for so long.
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