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Re: Are there Windows users of cons?


From: Rajesh Vaidheeswarran
Subject: Re: Are there Windows users of cons?
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:05:18 -0400 (EDT)

Overall, I'm a little surprised that you feel there is a
""WINDOWS USERS GET LOST!" message from the maintainers..

In fact, if anything, bringing windows builds to be
equivalent to unix builds in cons has been the focus
of, maybe, the last 50 changes in the cons CVS tree (if
you would like to check it out, please feel free.)

I personally use cons for windows development extensively,
and I have faced some quirks with bash vs. tcsh or windows
cmd prompt, but overall anything that I found, we pretty
much fixed (or it turned out to be some local script or
even worse, perl, problem).

I must admit that the wonderful world of the IDE is something
that I haven't had the time to investigate. I believe Steven K.
has done some work in that area and like Tony K. points out,
it is probably a moving target.. but I agree that support for
the 800-pound gorilla is a must if we can successfully state that
cons is supported under windows. After all, not everyone works
the same way with windows.

That said, I haven't seen much by way of active volunteering
either in the complex world of windows build environments. It
is much easier for users who use IDEs to contribute to what
they think cons should do under the world of IDEs than someone
like me who doesn't use it, and tries to guess from the problem
description.

rv

In a previous message, "Zachary Deretsky" writes:

> A year ago I had to choose a tool for a large build system, which would work
> the same way on Windows and on Unix. I chose cons over jam because using MD5
> checksums versus timestamps was very appealing and because of Greg Spencer's
> extensions, which integrate cons with Windows IDE and which, I had hoped,
> would be supported in the upcoming releases of cons.
> 
> 
> Apparently, I made a wrong choice.
> 
> During the last YEAR there has been ZERO Windows support for cons.
> Nothing was done in this area, and this is in the open source development
> which prides itself on fast response.
> 
> Greg's changes are still not supported. Temporary files for long link
> commands without which linking does not work on Windows are not there. Fix
> for the cons bug related to the timestamps set by MS Visulal Studio, which
> Tony Koralik posted a year ago is not there.
> 
> It took me and it would take others (again!) a big effort to research those
> bugs. Debugging a large system written in perl is a full-time job.
> 
> The required changes are minimal and they do not affect existing
> funcionality.
> It is really not more than one day's work unless there is religion involved.
> 
> There is a clear message from the cons maintainers:
> "WINDOWS USERS GET LOST!"
> 
> I am writing this as a last-ditch effort to reverse this attitude and to
> save my one year investment in cons.
> 
> Are there other Windows users of cons?
> 
> Please respond to this message and request speedy incorporation of existing
> Windows-related fixes into the current code plus real-time Windows support
> in the future.
> 
> Thanks, Zach.
> 
> 
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