Re: Cadenza time

[Joe Wilkinson]

    Hi Richard
    So the non-playing bars have to have exactly the same amount of time
    allocated in rests, and non-printing rests do avoid their being
    visible and messy. Any counting error results in displacement of
    notes.
    I am still not sure about end cadenza. On Each Staff I get this
    dialogue which implies that I might want to make the end-cadenza
    conditional on layout, which seems counter-intuitive.
    it is a radio-box so the only alternatives I have are to hide the
    Timesig, which also seems odd, or to have in only dependent on
    Inclusion Criteria. If I choose the least disruptive of these which
    is only when and Inclusion Criterion is set, I am then forced to
    declare or create an inclusion criterion (which I called never)
    But I don't understand what this is about, or how you put your end
    of Cadenza mark in without it.
    Best wishes
    Joe

On 29/12/2022 14:43, Richard Shann wrote:

> I meant to include an example, attached here
> it shows a short cadenza and compensating spacers in another staff.
> Richard
> On Thu, 2022-12-29 at 14:39 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-12-28 at 16:56 +0000, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> > > Hi Richard,
> > > Are there any notes on this, because I don't understand?
> > > I can see how to start Cadenza time, and it seems to work, but when
> > > I
> > > want to end it, effectively on the next bar, I get a plethora of
> > > queries 
> > > as to whether I want things hidden or not, which I really do not
> > > know. I 
> > > have no Inclusion criteria set.
> > >         
> > Part of the problem is that I think you have started from the
> > commands
> > in the Time Signatures menu, which are possibly too low level -
> > perhaps
> > they should be hidden by default. The more user-facing cadenza
> > commands
> > are in 
> >
> > Directives->Markings->Spanning,
> > for example:
> > Command: Start Cadenza
> > Inserts Cadenza start at the current cursor position, which should be
> > the start of a (Denemo) bar. Turns off automatic barlines, beaming
> > etc
> > and sets small sized notes for a cadenza. You can break up the
> > cadenza
> > in the Denemo Display into Denemo "bars" if the cadenza is too long.
> > You will need to insert barlines or use the Allow Page/Line break
> > command to let the typesetter break lines. Add Ignore Measure
> > Duration
> > Error directives in each bar if you want to use Check Score.
> > Location: Object Menu ▶ Directives ▶ Markings ▶ Spanning
> > Internal Name: CadenzaOn
> >
> >
> > They do have more explanations with them and do things like adjusting
> > the size of the cadenza notes and typesetting the indication at the
> > start of the cadenza.
> >
> > In any case, the introduction of more support for conditional
> > behvavior
> > has made the insertion of the cadenza  start/end time signatures get
> > interrupted by useless suggestions that they might need conditional
> > settings, so I've fixed that now.
> >
> > The most important thing you need to take away from the new help text
> > is that *all* other staffs need to have spacer rests where there are
> > cadenza notes so that all the parts start again in sync - essentially
> > it is like saying everyone plays the cadenza, just most play
> > silently!
> > And you should break your cadenza up into chunks (Denemo "bars") that
> > the display can handle nicely - recall the the Denemo display only
> > works with whole Denemo "bars"
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > > Essentially i have a 100 bar piece with most instruments being used
> > > together except for bar 90 when one plays alone for what would be
> > > 13 
> > > bars or so. Then all start together again.
> > > I don't see why I would want to make individual decisions for each 
> > > staff, including the Marks Staff, as to whether the time sig
> > > appears
> > > or not.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Joe
> > > PS I have attached the file to show where I am working - I haven't 
> > > finished the cadenza - there is all sorts of stuff to add.
> > > Cadenza in Mandocello.
> > >         
> >
> >
> >       
>