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Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
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Nicolas Roard |
Subject: |
Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard |
Date: |
Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:39:08 +0000 |
On Nov 11, 2007 6:15 PM, Dr Tomaž Slivnik <T.Slivnik@haldev.com> wrote:
> > As to the look, is there a reason why Camaelon still isn't part of
> > the standard GNUstep distribution? Yes, the default look is clean,
> > but it's clean and very 80s. Nesedah is clean and modern, and
> > Narcissus is even cleaner. Using GNUstep apps without Camaelon
> > feels like stepping through a time warp.
>
> For what it's worth, I like the "very 80s" look. What's wrong with
> the 80s look?
please... we went through that discussion hundreds of times. Just
accept for a fact that a vast majority of people dislike the NeXT
*look*, whatever the reason. While I like the OPENSTEP look, there is
no saying it does not look dated. Nice, but dated.
<snip a list of comments about OSX and the superiority of NeXT, all
things which really doesn't apply to gnustep per se>
> Themability also comes with some pitfalls:
>
> - it potentially makes the GUI design more complex, which means
> buggier and more time-consuming/expensive to develop;
That's what Gorm is for. Seriously. Tell me why GUI design would be
more complex.
Some more work can be caused by color/tonality differences, but
nothing we can't work out.
As everything else, it's a tradeoff and to me the advantages a
magnitude more than the few disadvantages.
> - there is a risk that, if not properly used, developers will develop
> apps which only work / only work well with a particular theme - and
> possibly different apps working well with different themes.
We are talking about themes -- nothing "active". The behaviour will not change.
> I'd be more conservative in making claims we can so easily improve on
> the NeXT original design. I've looked at some of the themes offered
> in Camaeleon. They look interesting/OK. I personally prefer the NeXT
> design.
>
> I think a theming engine is useful; but I'm not convinced it's such a
> great priority and I can see good reasons not to have it a part of
> the standard distribution (see pitfalls above).
Let's be blunt: I don't care if GNUstep choose to have a new UI theme
by default,
although I really, really think it should. And it's not like you
wouldn't be able to switch back to the NeXT theme if you want.
What's important is to have a theme engine.
I don't even know why I _again_ try to discuss that, because it's
painfully obvious to me,
and because I know very well that nobody will really work on it
anyway, certainly not people that complains.
So I'll just shut up for a few months more until I'll again have some
free time to work on gnustep.
--
Nicolas Roard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8
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