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Re: Russian letters
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Russian letters |
Date: |
Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:06:57 +0300 |
> From: Paul Pogonyshev <address@hidden>
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:30:12 +0300
> Cc: address@hidden
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > From: Paul Pogonyshev <address@hidden>
> > > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:59:40 +0300
> > >
> > > > utf-fragment-on-decoding's value is nil
> > > >
> > > > Whether or not to decode some chars in UTF-8/16 text into iso8859
> > > > charsets.
> > > > [...]
> > >
> > > Why not do the same to the typed characters?
> >
> > Maybe it does, let's find out: how did you type those characters? Did
> > you use a Leim input method (which one?), or did you type them on your
> > keyboard?
>
> I think it is Leim input method `russian-computer'. I.e. I use `C-\' in
> Emacs to switch between US Engish and Russian keyboard layouts.
Handa-san, should Leim obey utf-fragment-on-decoding? I think it
should, but maybe there's some complication that prevents it.
> No matter how the characters are encoded, if they conceptually are
> the same, they should be displayed using the same method, no?
Ideally, yes. However, this is a harsh requirement: a font assumes a
certain encoding of a character, so Emacs cannot easily use another
font if it's for a different encoding.
> Cronyx fonts do indeed support Russian characters. However, customizing
> `default' face to use cronyx-courier for some reason influences only the
> current Emacs session. Bug?
Probably. I'll let Handa-san to answer this.
> Actually, I now see that I had this problem before and wrote about it in
> ``Pango-like font fallback (was Re: Russian numero sign)'' thread:
>
> I went to install all the fonts I could find in my Debian Sarge. And
> found cronyx-courier font, which looks nice _and_ has Cyrillic
> characters. However, when I customize the default face in Emacs and
> set that font family, latin characters are still displayed in
> adobe-courier (though Cyrillic ones are shown in cronyx-courier)...
> And the customization doesn't take any effect after I restart Emacs...
> Any ideas?
>
> Kenichi Handa answered:
>
> Perhaps that because you don't have
> -cronyx-courier-...-iso8859-1. Emacs by default uses an
> iso8859-1 font for ASCII. To change it, you must create a
> proper fontset by one of these ways: [...]
>
> How an average user is supposed to find it is beyond me.
They shouldn't. But I think Debian should add a -cronyx-courier font
for Latin-1, because without that Emacs is broken for Cyrillic
scripts. Or maybe there's some other Unicode font that covers both
Cyrillic and Latin-1.
- Re: Russian letters, (continued)
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/05
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/07
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/07
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/08
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/08
- Re: Russian letters,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Russian letters, Paul Pogonyshev, 2006/07/06
- Re: Russian letters, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/07