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Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? |
Date: |
Wed, 09 Mar 2016 22:59:41 +0200 |
> From: Karl Fogel <address@hidden>
> Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden, address@hidden
> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:42:30 -0600
>
> Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> writes:
> >I don't even need to explain that: there are already people in this
> >discussion who said they'd like to use a less formal format. (You
> >already asked who those people were, and Dmitry already pointed out
> >who they were.) To me, the connection is very clear. If you don't
> >see it, just trust the facts -- it is already happening.
>
> I've worked in projects where we successfully enforce ChangeLog-style commit
> message conventions without having actual ChangeLog files. If the Emacs
> project is having a social problem enforcing conventions, that's certainly
> something to be solved. But blaming it on the absence of ChangeLog files
> does not hold up empirically.
I'm not blaming anything. I'm just saying that having ChangeLog files
seems so far to be the cheapest solution to a conundrum.
I don't know what project you have in mind, but IME the only way to
_force_ something in a Free Software project is to have a very
charismatic leader to whose opinions all the rest heed. That's a rare
case to see, and it certainly isn't our situation here.
> >IOW, it's fortress -- if you dismantle one of its bastions, the others
> >will soon fall as well. The only way to avoid that is to hold all of
> >them.
>
> Okay, I understand your argument (I don't think your previous messages made
> it clear, but you've clarified it now). However, it just does not hold true
> in other projects. Why would we expect Emacs developers to be more slovenly
> than developers elsewhere?
Because they in fact are? What can I say? just look around.
> English is my native language, by the way; I'm American, not German.
Apologies. Then the problem is mine alone.
> FWIW, I couldn't tell from your writing that English is not your native
> language.
Yes, my disguise is good. But it's just a disguise, believe me.
> I think this project can successfully enforce ChangeLog-style entries in
> commit messages if we really want to, without much difficulty.
I don't know why you think so, since we are already failing to do
that. I agree that it should be possible in theory, but we don't seem
to live up to that.
> I believe this is also what Paul was saying, though I don't want to put words
> in his mouth.
Paul actually said that it was not a disaster if the log messages were
less than perfect. (His own are, of course, very good, I wish
everyone would write similar log messages.)
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, (continued)
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, John Wiegley, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Paul Eggert, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Nikolaus Rath, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Paul Eggert, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/10
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Richard Stallman, 2016/03/10
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Paul Eggert, 2016/03/10
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/11
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Nikolaus Rath, 2016/03/11
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Paul Eggert, 2016/03/11
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/11
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Nikolaus Rath, 2016/03/11