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Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorth
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Eli Zaretskii |
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Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) |
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Mon, 04 Oct 2021 19:51:50 +0300 |
> From: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
> Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 16:44:26 +0100
>
> The system is behaving as designed.
Famous last words ;-)
Seriously, though: IME, this is not a popular response to user
requests.
> In the sequence C-h o s-foo, the last 5 characters typed are not the
> name of a symbol, they are the name of a shorthand (a shorthand is _not_
> a symbol) that you are seeing (in the sense of "with your eyes"") in
> some buffer.
If it is impossible, or hard, or inappropriate (in your opinion) to
support s-foo in this use case, would it be possible to have a special
command that would expand the shorthand in the minibuffer? That is,
the user types "C-h o s-foo <SOME KEY SEQUENCE>" and that replaces
s-foo with the expansion, the "real" symbol. Is that feasible?
> * So, if we follow our first instincts (they were my first instincts,
> too!), it means that the exact same Help input in two different
> situations could bring about different results.
That already happens in any number of situations, and shouldn't
prevent us from adding one more. The most trivial example is
buffer-local variables; another example is mode-specific commands (a
recent addition in Emacs 28). And there are many more: a user who
expects identical Emacs behaviors in different buffers will be
extremely disappointed.
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), (continued)
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/01
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Phil Sainty, 2021/10/01
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Phil Sainty, 2021/10/02
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/02
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Richard Stallman, 2021/10/03
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Richard Stallman, 2021/10/03
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Gregory Heytings, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master),
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Gregory Heytings, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Gregory Heytings, 2021/10/04
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Richard Stallman, 2021/10/05
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/06
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Richard Stallman, 2021/10/05
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), Richard Stallman, 2021/10/05
- Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master), João Távora, 2021/10/05