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[Orgmode] Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim
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Herbert Sitz |
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[Orgmode] Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim |
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Fri, 5 Nov 2010 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) |
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John Hendy <jw.hendy <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> Wow! This is pretty neat. You've done some really cool things.
>
John -- Thanks for the kind words. I've responded to some of your comments
below to clarify just what my project is and what it isn't.
>
> I started learning emacs only for org-mode and have never really used vim
>except for editing a few config files when nano is not available. Since I
>started with emacs and it has what I want (org-mode), I can't think of a
>reason to learn yet another program with it's own set of shortcut
> oddities :) I can relate to the shortcuts... Sometimes two in a row
> involving ctrl makes me scratch my head. Though with emacs I'm
> pretty sure you can literally change anything you want.
>
> Also, since you're using the export features of org-mode,
> and as you said you can use vimperator or whatever to
> emulate vim keystrokes in emacs... is there
> anything really that you can do with the vim version that emacs
> can't do? I completely understand #5 below -- do it just to
> do it and it's fun. Other than that, though, aside from some
> navigation differences and the (#_of_lines) at the
> end of folded headers I was unsure what was to be different.
> Now you work in vim and just call org-mode to export?
>
You've got it right. For someone who is comfortable with Emacs
and Org-mode there's no reason at all for them to be interested
in what I'm doing. The appeal of my project is pretty much
limited to those people who have a strong preference for using
Vim rather than Emacs. Even the people who strongly
prefer Vim, if they are heavy Org-mode users and depend on a
wide range of it features and multitude of options, might
have little use for my project in its current state.
> 2. Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly
> a great
> operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text
> editor. ;)
>
> I've heard this but never understood what was being said.
>
That comment is mostly an often repeated joke. I think it gets to a
major difference between Emacs and Vim, which is that Emacs is used
by many to become the central application they use, with all their
sub-applications implemented in Emacs-lisp. Vim isn't really used
that way, partly because it's not as suitable for it, and partly
because its main author has taken a
stance against that sort of use, in favor of a more Unixey-approach
of merely interacting with outside applications.
>
> - Navigation. I definitely feel the emacs shortcut pain for certain
> things. I don't mind exporting. I'm so used to it that
> do C-x C-s C-c C-e p without blinking to publish to PDF.
> But, I highly dislike things like C-c C-[n/p] or C-c C-[f/b] for
> navigating headlines. Your arrow navigation was appealing,
> perhaps only because I'm not as used to these shortcuts as
> others. I find myself using two finger scroll, pg[up/dn] and
> crtl+[right/left arrow] to move around much
> more than the emacs built-in shortcuts. As I said earlier,
> though, surely they can be changed... I just haven't.
Yes, I agree that having navigation keys as multi-keypress chord
combination is sub-optimal. I'm sure remappings could be done in
Org, hard thing might be deciding on what key combinations.
The section-moving commands in Org-mode are already mapped to
keys similar to the ones I use, don't require multi-keypress
chords even now.
>
> Great work and very cool project. Thanks for sharing and I
> really enjoyed the video!
>
Thanks again,
Herb
- [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, Herbert Sitz, 2010/11/05
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, A. Ryan Reynolds, 2010/11/05
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, John Hendy, 2010/11/05
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, Carsten Dominik, 2010/11/06
- [Orgmode] Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim, Detlef Steuer, 2010/11/06
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, Jean-Marie Gaillourdet, 2010/11/06
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, Urs Rau (UK), 2010/11/07
- Re: [Orgmode] An Org-mode clone for Vim, Nathan Neff, 2010/11/08