Re: [O] Org as a publishing toolkit

[Thomas S. Dye]

Aloha Marcelo,

I don't /believe/ org will keep you from doing that.  

My guess is that you are going to end up redefining the LaTeX \maketitle
command, see

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-11_2

I've done this once or twice--it's an adventure for someone with my
limited programming skills.  You're likely to get needed advice from the
folks at comp.text.tex if your introductory LaTeX readings don't get you
where you want to be.

Good luck!

Tom

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:

> Cool, I will do!
>
> But org doesn't impose some structure that might prevent me from
> putting the cover in the first page? Just curious. I wouldn't also
> like to have to edit the latex generated afterwards, but that's a
> possibility.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>
>> Others might do this differently, but I don't use LaTeX for book
>> covers.  I only use it for the pages of the book.
>>
>> It sounds like your cover image is floating, which is something that
>> LaTeX does with tables and images.  If you are new to LaTeX and don't
>> have a feel for how it handles "floats", then I recommend an
>> introductory text.  Leslie Lamport's book is terrific, but there are
>> other good introductions on the Internet.
>>
>> Org-mode and its LaTeX exporter are *not* going to insulate you from the
>> need to learn some LaTeX, especially if you intend to write something as
>> complex as a book.
>>
>> hth,
>> Tom
>>
>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>>> Thomas,
>>>
>>> I have a more specific question. I have already managed to embed an
>>> image to act as the cover of the book. However, the image is being
>>> shown in the third page. I want the sequence to be like this:
>>>
>>> 1) Cover image
>>> 2) The sub-cover:
>>>
>>>    "Title""
>>>  My Name
>>>    Date
>>>
>>> 3) TOC
>>>
>>> 4) Intro, chapters...
>>>
>>> How could I do that?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Marcelo.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>>>
>>>> The approach I would take here, which might not be what you want, would
>>>> be to use inline markup:
>>>>
>>>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-10_3
>>>>
>>>> You would define the output for the various exporters in the link
>>>> definition, with something fancy for LaTeX and whatever else works in
>>>> the other export formats you care to support.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Cool! Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that you mention it, I was wondering if something like "condition
>>>>> export" is possible. For very specific localized LaTeX fetures, it
>>>>> would be useful. Take this example:
>>>>>
>>>>> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
>>>>>
>>>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World
>>>>>
>>>>> This created a first-letter that is stylized differently. This won't
>>>>> come out in any other exported, so I'd like to do something like
>>>>> (NOTE: pseudo-code!)
>>>>>
>>>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World
>>>>>
>>>>> #iif not LaTeX
>>>>>    Hello World
>>>>> #end
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is not possible what I can do is to pre-process the orgfile with
>>>>> something like ERB (I'm familiar with Ruby) or another templating
>>>>> language before exporting (and even automate it all by calling emacs
>>>>> in batch mode ;) ), but it'd be nice if org supported that
>>>>> out-of-the-box.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcelo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So today I have been reseaching about higher-levels toolkits that
>>>>>>> could help me get into TeX (and or LaTeX) and at the same time
>>>>>>> allowing me to keep the text in a more human-readable format (easier
>>>>>>> to mantain and to convert to other formats if needed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that if I want beautiful formatted PDFs I will need to get into
>>>>>>> TeX / LaTeX, and I already started doing that, but as I said, keeping
>>>>>>> the text in a higher level format has benefits that you already know
>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I looked at asciidoc, the lower-level XML-based docbook, markdown,
>>>>>>> pandoc, ConTeXt, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I thought, why not try orgmode?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, after reading this article:
>>>>>>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html, I've then
>>>>>>> realized how powerful the org-export feature is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can basically do this:
>>>>>>>  * Keep the text in a (very) human readable format that I'm used to
>>>>>>> and that is much better to maintain than any other format I know
>>>>>>> (markdown / asciidoc) and integrated with my own orgmode personal
>>>>>>> information manager!
>>>>>>>  * Add / customize the LaTeX output in *ANY* way I want to. Thanks to
>>>>>>> org AND babel! From what I can see, there are no limitations on how
>>>>>>> complex the LaTeX customizations can be, it can essentially match up
>>>>>>> any other "pure" latex documents out there.
>>>>>>>  * As noted above, fully support LaTeX while still allowing me to 
>>>>>>> export to:
>>>>>>>    * plaintext
>>>>>>>    * HTML
>>>>>>>    * DocBook (and hence an array of other formats)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean, how cool is that? I'm only starting in TeX/LaTeX so I might be
>>>>>>> overlooking some limitations, but from what I can see, orgmode is the
>>>>>>> most pragmatic and powerful publishing framework I have ever come to
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what excites me even more is that I can keep my book in my
>>>>>>> preferred format and still output a beautifully-formatted PDF book
>>>>>>> *and* still support other formats (such as mobi or epub through
>>>>>>> docbook). Amazing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, if I want to use raw TeX or maybe ConTeXt, is it possible?
>>>>>>> Not that I need, only curious :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This needs more hype! I don't think people realize how powerful this is 
>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcelo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The LaTeX export tutorial is a work in progress.  I hope you find it
>>>>>> useful.  When you run across something that doesn't work (or make sense)
>>>>>> don't hesitate to come back to the list with a query or suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thomas S. Dye
>>>>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Thomas S. Dye
>>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Thomas S. Dye
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>>
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