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Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade


From: peter . frings
Subject: Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:02:53 +0200

Good morning gents,

I think you nailed it. Thanks!


* Summary
Having the todo list in a daily view is very convenient, but not provided 
out-of-the-box. The enabling of it used to be relatively simply with a single 
variable, but in more recent version it’s now reserved for org-savvy people. 
Hooray for http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-custom-agenda-commands.html


* What the problem was
In Emacs 7.7, the variable org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer affects the 
daily/weekly view as documented. 

** org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer works
The docstrings states:

======================== docstring ========================
Set  means weekly/daily agenda will always contain all TODO entries.
The TODO entries will be listed at the top of the agenda, before
the entries for specific days.
This option is deprecated, it is better to define a block agenda instead.
================================================

Note that it says it’s deprecated, but it’s still present and describes the 
behavior I was used to. But it doesn’t. Which is in-line what what Puneeth 
mentioned (commit 770c2ddfba5c173d1b33e7b247b49a8188994f76).


** Terminology
Notice that org-agenda-include-all-todo’s docstring mentions ‘block agenda’, as 
does the ‘Agenda View’ chapter in the manual. But that term is nowhere to be 
found in Org’s customization options. You must first find ‘Agenda Custom 
Commands’, but there the docstring mentions “You can also define a set of 
commands, to create a __composite agenda__ buffer.” So there is a problem of 
terminology here.


* Thoughts
I do question this change a bit. I find it very convenient to have my to-do’s 
(scheduled or not) in my day view. Now, I must make a block agenda to get this. 
OK, I can handle that. However, out-of-the box behavior should suit beginners, 
and asking them to make a block agenda as the first thing to do is a bit heavy, 
no? (Have you seen the customization page for that? Frightening!)

So, to get what I used to have[1] I need to define a custom view like this:

(setq org-agenda-custom-commands
           '(("h" "All to-do's and Agenda"
              ((alltodo)
               (agenda "")))))

[1] It’s not identical because of the block headers, but that might be 
something that is customizable. Haven’t checked it yet. 

Also, in the older version you could type `d’ or `w' to switch to day or week 
view from anywhere in the buffer; now you must make sure the cursor is on the 
agenda black and not in the todo black. This is a bit annoying.



* Example
Using GNU Emacs 23.3.1

The example uses the todo list from Suvayu’s mail:
======================== ~/planning/minimal.org ========================
 * TODO Plumber to fix leak
  <2011-08-04 Thu>
 
 * TODO RooStats tutorial
  SCHEDULED: <2011-01-25 Tue 09:00>
 
 * TODO Analysis deadline
  DEADLINE: <2011-08-19 Fri 15:00>

 * TODO Read Dune
  The above 3 entries show up in the agenda, but this one doesn’t.
================================================

And a minimal emacs init  file:
======================== ~/.emacs-minimal ========================
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\  |org_archive\\|txt\\)$" . 
org-mode))
(setq org-agenda-files '("~/planning/minimal.org"))
(require 'org-install)
(require 'org-habit)

(global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda)
================================================

Start with
/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs --debug-init -Q -l ~/.emacs-minimal


** Behavior with Org 6.33x
Org-mode 6.33x as version with Emacs 23)

*** ‘out of the box’ setup

Do `C-c a a’

========================Weekly agenda shows=============================
Week-agenda (W33):
Monday     15 August 2011 W33
Tuesday    16 August 2011
Wednesday  17 August 2011
Thursday   18 August 2011
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
Saturday   20 August 2011
Sunday     21 August 2011
-------------------------------------------------------------

========================Daily agenda shows=============================
Day-agenda (W33):
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
================================================

*** To include the TODO items
Add this to the init file (or evaluate):

(setq org-agenda-include-all-todo t)

Then, `C-a a a’

========================Weekly agenda shows=============================
All currently open TODO items:
  minimal:    TODO Plumber to fix leak
  minimal:    TODO RooStats tutorial
  minimal:    TODO Analysis deadline
  minimal:    TODO Read Dune
Week-agenda (W33):
Monday     15 August 2011 W33
Tuesday    16 August 2011
Wednesday  17 August 2011
Thursday   18 August 2011
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
Saturday   20 August 2011
Sunday     21 August 2011

================================================

========================Weekly agenda shows=============================
All currently open TODO items:
  minimal:    TODO Plumber to fix leak
  minimal:    TODO RooStats tutorial
  minimal:    TODO Analysis deadline
  minimal:    TODO Read Dune
Day-agenda (W33):
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
================================================



** Now with org 7.7, same emacs.
emacs init file now loads a more recent version of org and sets 
org-agenda-include-all-todo:
======================== ~/.emacs-minimal ========================
;; use more recent org
(add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/.emacs.d/src/org/lisp"))
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\  |org_archive\\|txt\\)$" . 
org-mode))
(setq org-agenda-files '("~/planning/minimal.org"))
(require 'org-install)
(require 'org-habit)

;;; expecting to get the TODO items in the daily agenda view!
;;;
(setq org-agenda-include-all-todo t)

(global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda)
================================================

Now, the same `C-c a a’ yields

======================== Week view ========================
Week-agenda (W33):
Monday     15 August 2011 W33
Tuesday    16 August 2011
Wednesday  17 August 2011
Thursday   18 August 2011
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
               9:26...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
Saturday   20 August 2011
Sunday     21 August 2011
================================================

======================== Day view ========================
Day-agenda (W33):
Friday     19 August 2011
               8:00...... ----------------
              10:00...... ----------------
              12:00...... ----------------
              14:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    15:00...... Deadline:   TODO Analysis deadline
              16:00...... ----------------
              18:00...... ----------------
              20:00...... ----------------
  minimal:    Sched.207x:  TODO RooStats tutorial
================================================

No more TODO overview, even with org-agenda-include-all-todo set. Clearly, it’s 
not only deprecated, but completely ignored. Hence, it should be removed.


I hope I’ve managed to better describe the problems I had :-)

Cheers and thanks for the help!
Peter.


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