Re: [O] Babel related bug in elpa version 20121231

[Achim Gratz]

Bastien writes:
>> I hope that a later version of Emacs (not the upcoming 24.3, though)
>> will properly move the bundled Org into a package.  That's been talked
>> about for a while, but has not happened since it will likely require a
>> few more tweaks to the way package manager works.
>
> Please don't push into this direction.

I think you are misunderstanding what packetizing Emacs' builtin
packages means.  Stefan Monnier has already said that he intends to have
Org (and other packages that are maintained outside Emacs) as built-in
packages within Emacs so that they become easier to update between
releases of Emacs from ELPA.  The plan until now seems to be to use
package manager, however that is currently missing some infrastructure
to make it happen, mainly it needs to allow package directories for
Emacs, the site and the user (just like lisp/).

I think we should push for package manager to be extended with the
necessary support and then for Org to be the first package that makes
the move.

> I wish one day org-mode will be the default mode for etc/{TODO,PROBLEMS}
> and such files in Emacs, instead of outline-mode.
>
> I also wish Emacs can read an ~/.emacs.org init file.

These are completely separate issues.

> So I strongly think Org should remain into Emacs' core.

Nobody said otherwise.

> (Modularity is like automation: the idea always looks appealing,
> but the reality is not always so.)

This is not about modularity at all (Org already is modularized in that
sense since it is maintained outside Emacs), it is about maintainability
and release management.


Regards,
Achim.
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