Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> wrote:

> Hi Rasmus,
> 
> On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
>> Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> writes:
>> 
>>> OK, let me ask like this:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating?
>> 
>> Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems.  The internet
>> suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't
>> look into it as I don't know much about memoir. 
> 
> thanks for this.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> OK, so my proposal is
>> 
>> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be
>> default as possible.  That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone
>> knows.
> 
> Yes.  Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little
> as possible.  But convenience and backward compatibility are
> also a concern which I would like to consider.
> 
>> 
>>> - to add the rotating package
>>> - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu
>> 
>> Note the package loading order might matter.
> 
> Yes, I am aware of this.  Can you be specific for this case?  I guess
> rotating has no load sequence issues.
> 
> Does tabu have such issues?  With which packages (what you know)
> 
>> 
>>> - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix
>> 
>> and subscripts.  And sometimes math (e.g. align).
> 
> amsmath is not in the defualt list, patch by you IIRC.  So we actually

is *now* in the default list.  Sorry for the typo.

> do not have to say something about this in the manual.
> 
>> 
>>> The reasoning:
>> 
>>> - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want to
>>> avoid breaking existing files whenever possible
>> 
>> Assuming a mechanism exists that can detect when tabu is to be loaded
>> why only apply it there and not to the other optional packages?
> 
> Because any automatic mechanism may cause problems with load sequence,
> so packages that are problematic in this way should require user attention.
> Hmm, have I just argued agains longtbl by saying this?
> 
> Thank you for your competent input.
> 
> - Carsten
> 
>> 
>>> - rotating is needed for sideways stuff and does not do any harm
>> 
>> Alternative implementation exists, but they are of course not
>> supported by Org.  Would they be in conflict?  I doubt it.
>> 
>>> - somewhat arbitrarily I am drawing the line above the tabu package. 
>> 
>> It does seem a bit arbitrary.
>> 
>> Bu people who feel strongly about not loading some stuff can change
>> default package alist so it's not a big issue.
>> 
>> –Rasmus
>> 
>> -- 
>> A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it
>> 
>> 
>

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