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Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont
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Carsten Dominik |
Subject: |
Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont |
Date: |
Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:34:34 +0200 |
On Oct 22, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> You also said things like
>>
>>> That's exactly the point of the defconst: you can still modify the
>>> variable, but it sends a strong message to the user. Also, it's not
>>> about deprecation: code base should still rely on these variables.
>>
>> so maybe I picked one interpretation over the other.
>
> I don't see any contradiction. You can modify a defconst, but the strong
> message is "you are not supposed to do that". I didn't suggest modifying
> these variables was expected. Anyway, I acknowledge I wasn't very clear.
>
>> Yes, sorry. By "nothing" I mean nothing we cannot achieve with
>> documentation and a :set method.
>
> This will not fix the bug.
Hi Nicolas,
can you remind me what the bug was? The taskjuggler issue?
>
>> Since we will still rely on the variables, the advantage for
>> maintenance is something I do not see.
>
> As a developer, you have to keep in mind that the string might be
> changed. Sometimes, it's easy to forget you cannot hardcode it, e.g.
> when writing a search regexp. I have done a similar mistake in
> ox-taskjuggler.el, where I expect the effort property to be named
> ":EFFORT:". More things to remember, more potential bugs, more
> maintenance efforts.
>
>> Cache friendliness I see, but I would think that if someone changes
>> these variables, they will not keep changing them.
>
> Of course. I shouldn't have talked about cache since it makes me sound
> like a lazy person. I can work around the cache problem.
>
> Again my main concern was to move to a proper, Emacs-independent,
> /minimal/ core syntax, i.e., to define the "Org format". For example, at
> the moment, external tools cannot rely on "SCHEDULED:" string to write
> even a basic Org file, because "SCHEDULED:" doesn't clearly belong to
> the syntax and, therefore, might be incompatible with some
> configurations.
Yes, as I said, I do see all these problems, but I also feel the responsibility
to break as few as possible existing configurations.
If you want, I can take a shot at documenting this properly.
- Carsten
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou
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- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Carsten Dominik, 2013/10/20
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/21
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Carsten Dominik, 2013/10/21
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/21
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Carsten Dominik, 2013/10/21
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/21
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Carsten Dominik, 2013/10/22
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/22
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont,
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- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Torsten Wagner, 2013/10/22
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Florian Beck, 2013/10/22
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/23
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Carsten Dominik, 2013/10/23
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/29
- Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Nicolas Goaziou, 2013/10/29
Re: [O] [RFC] Change some defcustoms into defcont, Sebastien Vauban, 2013/10/21