Re: [O] org-ref: citation types (insert full citation); bib style; bib scope

[John Kitchin]

That is possible. I am out now, but this afternoon I will send another note on how to do it. 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:05 AM Matt Price <address@hidden> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM, John Kitchin <address@hidden> wrote:

Matt Price writes:





> After several years, I'm finally trying to move to bibtex from zotero,


> partly because org-zotxt has stopped working for me (both link insertion


> and html export seem at least temporarily broken).


>


> The UI for org-ref is pretty fantastic, and I love it. I'm having trouble


> getting the behaviour I want fro mthe actual links, though.  My needs may


> be somewhat atypical but I'm hoping someone else has figured these


> questions out already.


>


> * citation types


> The org-ref manual talks about different citation types, but the external


> link it suggests is not loading:


> http://ctan.unixbrain.com/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf





try: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf

ok, thx.

>


> Does anyone know what the other options are? In particular, for the syllabi


> I'm currently creating I'd like to just insert the org-formatted citation


> information itself -- is this possible?





Can you give an example?

I htink I'm looking for something impossible.  org-zotxt allowed me to use a link type "citation", which just inserted the full citation in org syntax:

Hayles, K. (1999). /How we became posthuman: virtual bodies in cybernetics, literature, and informatics/. Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press. [[http://search.library.utoronto.ca/details?7949488&uuid=5aaa42cf-ffd2-41e3-ac6b-60e649f9f289]]

rather than generating a link.  If I had an option to do this in my syllabi, it would greatly simplify my work flow.

 

> I'd like to be able to point my


> students directly to my github repo, and it will ultimately be more


> convenient to have the links already present in the source code, since


> github doesn't reoslve org-ref

What I mean is, that I'd like to stop building course websites and instead just point students to github repos where my docs live in an org format.  This means I reallywant the citatiion information, and not citation links.  E.g.:

https://github.com/titaniumbones/New113/blob/master/New113Syllabus.org#2017-01-26-thu-state-surveillance

>


> * bib style


> When I right-click on a link and select "copy the formatted citation", I


> don't get the URL field, which my students need. I assume that's because


> I'm not using the right bibliographic style. How do I set the citation


> format?  Would I use the bibliographystyle link, or a header argument


> somewhere?





Support for this is kind of rudimentary, because it is really difficult


to get properly formatted strings for all references.





When you click on a cite link and select copy formatted entry what


happens is the bibfile is opened to that entry and then the result of


org-ref-bib-citation is copied. It is pretty simple, and limited. At the


moment, I think helm-bibtex does the actual formatting if you load it,


and it does not appear to be customizable. See bibtex-completion-apa-format-reference





I will work on this a little bit and see if some improvements can be


made.

thanks you John!

>


> Also, is it possible to set this option to use org formatting instead of


> html formatting?





You could use a function like this on a link to get something more


customizable.





(defun better-formatted-citation ()


  (interactive)


  (kill-new (org-ref-get-bibtex-entry-citation (car (org-ref-get-bibtex-key-and-file)))))





see the variable org-ref-bibliography-entry-format, you can set this to


be whatever format you want.

ah, looks pretty simple, I should be able to do this.

>


> * Bibliography scope


> I guess I don't really know how to build a bibliographic file to go with a


> particular project.  At present I am using my full Zotero library exported


> to bibtex as a default. Is there a way to just build the bibliography from


> the set of sources cited in the paper?





M-x org-ref-extract-bibtex-entries should put a new heading in the buffer


with the relevant bibtex entries.

excellent, thank you!

 

>


> Thanks everyone, and of course especially John for this amazing tool.


>


> Matt

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