Re: Bug: org-refile-get-target offers default candidate in duplicity [9.2.6 (9.2.6-4-ge30905-elpaplus @ /home/gustavo/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20191007/)]

[Samuel Wales]

non-leaf olpaths are not usefully considered to be directories in my
opinion.  all olpaths should be equal in status.


On 2/16/20, Samuel Wales <address@hidden> wrote:
> On 2/14/20, Bastien <address@hidden> wrote:
>> What was the problem when refiling with ido?
>
> idk if the following will be useful but here goes.
>
> bear in mind this was a while back.  this is partly from memory.
>
> i don't know if the fix fixed all of them, but it definitely seemed
> to, at least with my ido settings.
>
> i tried ido settings.  but i recall thinking none of them worked.  it
> took years to fix it.  my computer use is limited.
>
> - the default was screwed up (more below) causing misfiling
> - there was distracting, inconsistent (sometimes appearing and
> sometimes not), and possibly redundant (i.e. extra olpaths in list)
> information in parentheses
> - similar, except with trailing slashes (this one might have had
> redundancy and inconsistency properties, the latter perhaps caused by
> the former, as in: you don't know which version of the olpath you will
> get in the default)
>
> the mechanism seemed to be designed for fs paths, not olpaths.  fs
> paths have a directory/nondirectory distinction, and this might have
> been related.  that distinction is bad for olpaths.
>
> i do not deal with files when refiling.  even if i did, there would
> still be no need for olpath directories for ido/ivy refiling.
>
> my olpaths when refiling are bare header lines.
>
> i think some but not all, olpaths got trailing slashes appended.
>
> i realize that's all vague.
>
> however, the fix made refiling change from dangerous and iffy and
> annoying to safer, more reliable, and fast (ido-clever-paths and
> ido-hacks also helped).
>
> i will not be able to retrace the problem less vaguely.
>
>
> as for the issues with the default, i reported at least one to the
> mailing list in some detail.  it provides repro instructions.
>
> i suspect trailing slash also caused a default problem.
>
> please note that i am using an old version of maint because i can't
> fix a capture bug that was introduced a while back.  it has perhaps
> been fixed since then, dunno.
>
>
> here is the report, for what it is worth:
>
> vvv
> ido and org-refile are a superb combination that enhances
> Org significantly.  It is a killer feature IMO.
>
> However, in my usage there is a substantial risk of
> misfiling:
>
>   1) If I start from a fresh Emacs, "myorg" is sufficient to
>      select "computer/emacs/org/myorg/".  Good.
>
>   2) If I refile something to
>      "computer/emacs/org/myorg/strategy and examples/various
>      todo kw and maybe some tags/", "various" is enough to
>      select it.  Note that this is below "myorg".  Good.
>
>   3) (Just as an aside, if I then refile something else to
>      the same entry, I don't even need to enter "various".
>      It is the default.  Good.)
>
>   4) Now suppose I want to refile something to "myorg".  I
>      enter "myorg" but I get "various".
>
> Detail on this subtle issue is below:
>
>
> My expectation is that if "myorg" selects "myorg" once, it
> should always do so no matter what my refile history is.
> This expectation is violated.
>
> It violates a sort of referential transparency.  The same
> narrowing inputs should produce the same narrowed outputs
> (in my expectation at least).
>
>
> I suspect the reason for the behavior is the defaulting in
> 3, which is useful.  However, the false defaulting in 4 is
> not useful in any obvious way.
>
>
> Proposed solution:
>
> I think that as soon as the user starts selecting something,
> the default should be discarded.
>
>
> With my expectation, it is never necessary to check the
> offered olpaths except as a confirmation.
>
> With the current behavior, checking is always necessary
> because in edge cases, there will be a guaranteed misfile.
>
> Here is why: the only reason that default showed up at all
> is that the narrowing input matched both
> headlines.  Otherwise the default would have been discarded.
>
> So it is an edge case that allowed the offer to misfile.  In
> other cases, the correct default would be provided.  If I
> wanted "various", RET would be sufficient.
>
> User checking is significantly more error-prone because one
> olpath is a substring of the other.
>
> Likewise, the requirement to navigate in the list is
> burdensome as 4 is never useful as far as I can tell.
>
>
> I tried looking at ido
> variables and got lost.
>
> If you can't reproduce witn your ido settings, I'll try to
> provide an MCE at some point.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Samuel
> ^^^
>
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