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RE: issue tracker?
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gennady.uraltsev |
Subject: |
RE: issue tracker? |
Date: |
Wed, 20 May 2020 14:55:16 -0400 |
Hello everyone,
I have been following the org-mode ML and I have seen the discussion about
having a bug tracker. I wanted to offer my 2 cents as a non-developer; barely a
power user. Org-mode works incredibly well and I use it on a daily basis. It is
true that development is very active. However I might say that saying that no
bugs fall through the cracks in the ML is a bit of a confirmation bias. My
personal experience was different.
I actually submitted some bug reports through emacs about some slightly less
used parts of org-mode e.g. ob-eshell. The mailing list is moderated (or has
anti-spam) so the result was that my mail did not appear AT ALL. I had that
issue before, too, but here in IRC I was suggested to wait for several days.
The previous time I think the e-mail eventually got through. When I submitted
the bug report for ob-eshell it never did. I found a workaround by using shell
instead of ob-shell so I never pursued the issue. Probably the bug is still
there.
I am glad that the ML works for the most active developers, and I suppose it
works well for the linux kernel since it needs to be centralized and somewhat
focused. However org-mode could benefit from more community involvement even of
newbies, especially around the parts that are "part of" org-mode but are not
that often used and don't receive enough love and attention from the main
developers.
A good bug tracker could also help identify parts that are not used or buggy
and that should, maybe, be slated for removal or at least separated in a
independent package.
You see, for a beginner a bug is quite daunting because you never know if it
is actually a bug or if it is your own fault for misunderstanding or
misconfiguring something. And, honestly, in emacs, it is quite easy for a
beginner to misconfigure something.
All this to say that the ML works great and I picked up great ideas while
reading through it in my mailbox (I am subscribed), however it still has a
significant "gatekeeper" effect. Please, at least address the issue that some
bug reports don't even make it to the list AT ALL.
I do not want this email to be offensive in any way to anyone. I also realize
that what I described may not be representative. I excuse myself in advance if
my tone was inappropriate.
More than anything I still wish to thank everyone for a piece of fantastic
software that has helped me out crucially on multiple occasions!
Sincerely,
Gennady
P.S. I wrote essentially the same e-mail on the IRC channel to be sure that it
gets delivered somewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode-bounces+gennady.uraltsev=address@hidden> On
Behalf Of Jud Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2020 12:42
To: Stefan Nobis <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: issue tracker?
I second that.
Nicolas, thank you!
Great product, better vision, high energy!
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:12 AM, Stefan Nobis <address@hidden> wrote:
> Detlef Steuer address@hidden writes:
>
> > I would go as far as saying this list is one of the fastest reacting
> > amd friendliest communities I have been part of. The job Nicolas
> > does is just awesome.
>
> +1!
>
> ------
>
> Until the next mail...,
> Stefan.
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