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Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations


From: Denis Maier
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Adjust punctuation around citations
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 10:22:57 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Nicolas,
thanks for all your work on this. I've been busy lately, but I'll try to test ASAP. (Might take a few though, just to list you know.)
Denis
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> hat am 13.06.2021 00:04 geschrieben:


Hello,

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

>> - I'm not sure about the `org-cite-punctuation-marks' variable being
>> global, i.e., not locale-specific.
>
One of the things I've wondered about, but cannot offer any expertise
on (really, I have no clue), is how this might work for languages like
Arabic or Mandarin.
Of course, different punctuation marks exist, so characters are at least
locale-dependant. But I don't know if the set is entirely determined by
the locale or if it also depends on the "style" of the document.

>> - There is no support for this in LaTeX-derived back-ends, because
>> I don't know when a citation is going to become a footnote. As
>> a reminder, there is no "\footcite" command in `biblatex' processor.
>> OTOH, users might prefer using a more advanced mechanism, e.g.,
>> csquotes.
>
So the upshot is if users want this functionality for LaTeX/PDF, they
should use oc-biblatex for that export target?
Actually, that's the opposite. I don't know if it is possible, or even
appropriate, to port that feature to `biblatex' and `natbib' processors.
So, ATM, if you want it, and target LaTeX/PDF, your only option is
`csl'.

>> - It doesn't do anything special in quote blocks, because I'm still not
>> sure there is something to do. AFAIU, special casing there only
>> applies to author-date location, which out of the scope of this code.
>
Here's the scenario I believe Denis was concerned about:
#+begin_quote
... block with citation at end. [cite:@doe]
#+end_quote
I think in standard author-year styles, we'd want:
... block with citation at end. (Doe, 2020)
... while in note-based and "US" (space removed):
... block with citation at end.[1]
Not sure if that has any practical import, but just to clarify.
I understand this, but, AFAICT, this is the output we get already. So
I don't think there is anything to do.

Thank you for the feedback.

Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou

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