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Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Gith

From: Michael Powe
Subject: Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github (was: Communication problems and possible problems with the website)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:38:35 -0500
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There's an old joke, that C allows you to blow your own foot off, and C++ allows you to blow off the whole leg. The FSF is like the C++ of the free software world. Whatever your feelings about PayPal - I avoid it like plague - it's ubiquitous in the web world of donations. In fact, you can find it on https://my.fsf.org/donate. All, or nearly all, packages that I use in Emacs are hosted on GitHub. Oh my, what's this? https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs! Say it isn't so!

Years ago, the Debian team started a huge dust-up by threatening to exclude GCC documentation from its distribution because its license wasn't "free enough." Let's not drive down that road.

We didn't make this world, but we live in it.



On 2/25/2022 10:14, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
c.buhtz@posteo.jp writes:

Am 25.02.2022 15:18 schrieb Ihor Radchenko:
Org has no official GitHub page. This is partially a requirement from
Free Software Foundation:
I totally and absolute support that FSF requirement.

In that case I would say org-mode does violate that requirement because
there is a GitHub and a PayPal link on the landing page. And on the Worg
page (which is "official" from the new users point of view) there is
also a GitHub link.
It does not matter that there is not code on GitHub and that this is
only for sponsoring/donations. You have the link and the logo so you
"promote" that stuff that the FSF do not want you to promote.
Fair point. Paypal requires non-free javascript. Github as well, AFAIK.

At the same time, according to GNU Coding standards:

A web page recommends a program in an implicit but particularly
strong way if it requires users to run that program in order to use
the page. Many pages contain Javascript code which they recommend in
this way. This Javascript code may be free or nonfree, but nonfree is
the usual case.

If the purpose for which you would refer to the page cannot be
carried out without running nonfree Javascript code, then you should
not refer to it. Thus, if the purpose of referring to the page is for
people to view a video, or subscribing to a mailing list, and the
viewing or subscribing fail to work if the user’s browser blocks the
nonfree Javascript code, then don’t refer to that page.

The extreme case is that of web sites which depend on nonfree
Javascript code even to see the contents of the pages. Any site
hosted on ‘wix.com’ has this problem, and so do some other sites.
Referring people to such pages to read their contents is, in effect,
urging them to run those nonfree programs—so please don’t refer to
those pages. (Such pages also break the Web, so they deserve
condemnation for two reasons.)
While orgmode.org is not developed in the same repository with the Org
mode itself, I have a gut feeling that we still have to follow GNU
coding standards on the website. However, WORG contains links to various
blogs, reddit, stackoverflow, and even youtube and it feels right. I
notice that I am confused. I would like to hear Bastien's opinion on the


"Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a
Michael Powe
Naugatuck CT USA

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