Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Dominik Schrempf
<dominik.schrempf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> “Bruce D’Arcus” <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 AM Dominik Schrempf
> > <dominik.schrempf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, I can use `citar-insert-edit` to perform this action.
> >
> > You can actually just use org-cite-insert, which is context aware.
> >
> >> Now, I failed to create a full citation in the text. This corresponds to 
> >> the
> >> `\fullcite{}’ command in LaTeX. Is there an option for this?
> >
> > No, but we should add one, as natbib has a similar command.
> >
> > And, of course, per Timothy’s point, you can customize
> > org-cite-biblatex-styles to include it in the meantime. If you want to
> > experiment with this, contact me off-list, as there’s some nuances
> > with citar.
>
> Great, that was easy, thank you:
>
> (add-to-list ’org-cite-biblatex-styles ’(“full” nil “fullcite” nil nil))

On citar (the "nuance"), until I make the style UI smarter, you'll
want to add this command and a preview to
citar-org-style-preview-alist.

You might want to even completely redefine it to preview using the
biblatex command.

> (This or something similar should be added upstream).

I agree.

We just need to decide what the style name should be (and also add a
mapping from it for bibentry in natbib, and hopefully later csl). We
already have a "full" variant for "author", so another "full" might be
a little confusing.

Bruce

> >> In summary, it is a bit painful to use `org-cite` compared to using 
> >> `org-ref`.
> >> In my opinion, the main reasons are:
> >>
> >> • Documentation is missing for `org-cite`.
> >> • The citation commands seem to be incomplete (or at least not documented).
> >
> > The documentation is admittedly thin. Thoughts on what we should add?
> >
> > The styles, and how to customize them with oc-biblatex?
>
> I know writing documentation is a lot of work. It is easy to complain, but 
> hard
> to contribute. I think we need:
> • A complete description of styles and variants (for the actual citation
>   command, and also for `#+cite_export: ...') or at least a link to an
>   up-to-date table.
> • An improved description of the capabilities of `org-cite-insert' (i.e., that
>   it can change the citation style and variant).
>
> >
> > Bruce