Re: org-x11idle-exists-p with emacs --daemon

[Ihor Radchenko]

Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:

> Ihor, what I do not like in your patch is that an external process is 
> unconditionally executed during load time. Earlier there was a (failed) 
> attempt to limit it to X11.
>
> - Unsure if Windows builds of Emacs may connect to X servers.
> - MacOS does not use x11idle, it calls ioreg and perl instead.

We can test `sytem-type' to be in '(gnu gnu/linux gnu/kfreebsd).

> In above cases, there might be a point to execute x11idle if a user is 
> running remote Emacs session on a Windows or a MacOS machine (e.g. 
> through ssh) from local X server. Unsure if somebody has ever tried it. 
> The reason to try x11idle should be a test if current frame is 
> associated with X.

This is a trade-off. If we want to consider individual frames running on
remote X server, `org-user-idle-seconds' will need to check the command
availability on every call. That is - we will try to run shell command
every 60 seconds (`org-resolve-clocks-if-idle''s default timer). I'd say
that it is not a good idea considering how rare such situation is.

> A side note. I am aware that the following comment existed before your 
> commit.
>>   (and (eq 0 (call-process-shell-command
>>               (format "command -v %s" org-clock-x11idle-program-name)))
>>        ;; Check that x11idle can retrieve the idle time
>>        ;; FIXME: Why "..-shell-command" rather than just `call-process'?
>>        (eq 0 (call-process-shell-command org-clock-x11idle-program-name))))
>
> `call-process' can not be used here because "command" is a shell 
> built-in, not a real executable. I have another question. Why 
> `locate-file' is not used instead?
>
>      (locate-file command exec-path exec-suffixes 1))
>
> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/332/how-can-i-find-the-path-to-an-executable-with-emacs-lisp

Not idea. Maybe even `executable-find'?

> On 30/10/2022 08:33, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> Max Nikulin writes:
>> 
>>> In server.el I found
>>>
>>>       (frame-parameter frame 'display)
> ..
>> 
>> I do not understand.
>
> echo "$DISPLAY"
> :0
> emacs -Q --daemon
> emacsclient -nw
>
> window-system
> nil
> (frame-parameter nil 'display)
> ":0"
> (call-process "xterm")
>
> So formally a tty frame has access to X11 server.

Can we reliably distinguish between X and Wayland this way?

> My summary:
> - To be really flexible (e.g. to support Wayland) 
> `org-user-idle-seconds' should have an extension point allowing to 
> specify elisp function.

Could you prepare a patch?

> - x11idle availability should be checked when X connection is detected, 
> not at startup time and perhaps `locate-file' is better than "command" 
> shell built-in.

Again, patches welcome.
It will be a marginal improvement.

> - (frame-parameter nil 'display) might be more accurate in addition to 
> `window-system' check.

Do you mean (or ..)?

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