Re: Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el]

[Arthur Miller]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

>>Free software is a privilege, as it is.  It requires a lot of knowledge
>>about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal stuff, and
>>politics.  
>
> How privilege? I don't see how is free software privilege. Not for me. It 
> should
> be basic human right for users to have control of their data, and not to let
> other companies or individuals control my data.
You can easily exercise your right: do not use their services. It is
still free.

> Better said proprietary software is mischievous unfortunate degrading event 
> of human history and we are working to the reverse it.
>
>>It’s fundamental and inevitable and unavoidable for free software to
>>interact and cooperate with non-free software, if such a goal is not
>>limited to the use cases of some privileged hackers.  
>
> We have fully free software that need not ever interact or cooperate with non
> free. So I don't know where you pull out that anti information. Just start 
> with
> www.gnu.org to find software that never ever need to cooperate with 
> proprietary
> software.
>
>
>>Most software,
>>and
>>most of popular software is closed source.  
>
> I did not count to say so. But what is popular it does not matter in GNU 
> project, what matters is that we do have fully free software and operating 
> systems. 
>
>>Most users of software
>>_cannot_ avoid non-free software. 
>
> Whoever is informed well and decides so themselves can switch to fully free 
> software. People make decisions on their own.
Maybe, if all they have to do is covered by the free alternatives, which
it is not for many people and organisations. It would be good if it is
not so, but it is.

Keep repeating that everyone can choose a free alternative if they just
were is uninformed, ignorant and missleading. Best I can say: just a
wishful thinking. Unfortunately. I wish it was true myself.

> GNU project is everything else but not ivory tower. Otherwise you would not 
> be able to discuss here.
>
>  What GNU project promotes is free software. GNU never says to its users to 
> use
> exclusively free software and never condemns people for using proprietary
> software.
>
> I thus do not see where is problem.
>
> Your statements are too general and I do not see how they relate.
No, they are not at all. They are quite precise. If you fail to not
understand what "promote free software", "never says its users to use
exclusively free software" and "never condemns people for using
proprietary software" then the fail is completely on your side.