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Re: [fsfc-discuss] 'DRM'/'TPM' + another thought

From: Michael Faille
Subject: Re: [fsfc-discuss] 'DRM'/'TPM' + another thought
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:12 -0500

Hello all,

I think end users can control TPM since they must own private key.

So, where is the probleme with TPM? It's like data encryption for me.

The problem is the misuse of TPM (when motherboard owner didn't own the privatekey). It's like the misuse of UEFI : http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/

My 2 cents,
Michael Faille

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:24 AM, David C Dawson <address@hidden> wrote:
Quick response --
I regard these strictly as concepts:
I think of 'TPM' as a superset of 'DRM'.
Both are a convenient fiction.
They both give a 'rights holder' cart blanche, up to a point.
but 'TPM' provides more scope for abuse - terrifyingly so in my view.

I sent the link to Matthew Skala's excellent article because
I thought his line of reasoning could be developed further to
encompass 'TPM'

I think, already that his article demonstrates the sort of thinking
from which the 'DRM' concept came - that is, 'DRM' is supposed to be
able to make 'content' 'change colour' if 'DRM' is circumvented.

That might be fuzzy thinking in my feeble old brain. but there it is.

Is it useful and/or possible to ask Matthew Skala for his input on this?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 03:51:34PM -0500, Russell McOrmond wrote:
> On 12-02-17 01:09 PM, David C Dawson wrote:
> >Please take a look at this link:
> >http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
>   I did, back in 2004.  I also skimmed again today to remind me of content.
>  Matthew Skala is one of the people who has been actively involved
> in this area of policy from the beginning, including on the general
> digital-copyright.ca forums.  (even back when it was still called
> canada-dmca-opponents  http://www.digital-copyright.ca/discuss/10 )
>   Curious what made you think of it?
>   The colour being discussed in the article is a human trait, and
> one of the obvious failings of attempts at "DRM" (however you want
> to define that acronym) is to try to program computers to make human
> decisions. Even if we can make sentient computers, they still won't
> be human. Computers can help humans with metadata to make good
> decisions, but can't make those human decisions for us.
>   It is separate from the question of how rules for decisions are
> encoded (in software) and where are those decisions made (in
> hardware, not in "content") when those decisions are made by a
> computer.  The colour of the bits of the content addresses a
> different set of confusions between technical and non-technical
> people.
> --
>  Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/>
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