Re: [fsfc-discuss] 'DRM'/'TPM' + another thought

[Michael Faille]

Correction, you must read -->  I think end users can control TPM since
they *sould* own the private key.

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Michael Faille
<address@hidden> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I think end users can control TPM since they must own private key.
>
> So, where is the probleme with TPM? It's like data encryption for me.
>
> The problem is the misuse of TPM (when motherboard owner didn't own the 
> privatekey). It's like the misuse of UEFI : 
> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/
>
> My 2 cents,
> --
> Michael Faille
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:24 AM, David C Dawson <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Quick response --
>> I regard these strictly as concepts:
>> I think of 'TPM' as a superset of 'DRM'.
>> Both are a convenient fiction.
>> They both give a 'rights holder' cart blanche, up to a point.
>> but 'TPM' provides more scope for abuse - terrifyingly so in my view.
>>
>> I sent the link to Matthew Skala's excellent article because
>> I thought his line of reasoning could be developed further to
>> encompass 'TPM'
>>
>> I think, already that his article demonstrates the sort of thinking
>> from which the 'DRM' concept came - that is, 'DRM' is supposed to be
>> able to make 'content' 'change colour' if 'DRM' is circumvented.
>>
>> That might be fuzzy thinking in my feeble old brain. but there it is.
>>
>> Is it useful and/or possible to ask Matthew Skala for his input on this?
>> /Dave
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 03:51:34PM -0500, Russell McOrmond wrote:
>> >
>> > On 12-02-17 01:09 PM, David C Dawson wrote:
>> > >Please take a look at this link:
>> > >http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
>> >
>> >   I did, back in 2004.  I also skimmed again today to remind me of content.
>> >
>> >  Matthew Skala is one of the people who has been actively involved
>> > in this area of policy from the beginning, including on the general
>> > digital-copyright.ca forums.  (even back when it was still called
>> > canada-dmca-opponents  http://www.digital-copyright.ca/discuss/10 )
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   Curious what made you think of it?
>> >
>> >   The colour being discussed in the article is a human trait, and
>> > one of the obvious failings of attempts at "DRM" (however you want
>> > to define that acronym) is to try to program computers to make human
>> > decisions. Even if we can make sentient computers, they still won't
>> > be human. Computers can help humans with metadata to make good
>> > decisions, but can't make those human decisions for us.
>> >
>> >
>> >   It is separate from the question of how rules for decisions are
>> > encoded (in software) and where are those decisions made (in
>> > hardware, not in "content") when those decisions are made by a
>> > computer.  The colour of the bits of the content addresses a
>> > different set of confusions between technical and non-technical
>> > people.
>> >
>> > --
>> >  Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/>
>> >  Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property
>> >  rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition!
>> >  http://l.c11.ca/ict
>> >
>> >  "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware
>> >   manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or
>> >   portable media player from my cold dead hands!"
>> >
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