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Re: [Fsfe-uk] Mac OS X refund

From: Richard Smedley
Subject: Re: [Fsfe-uk] Mac OS X refund
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:15:45 +0000

On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:27 +0000, Alex Hudson wrote:
> The story on dishwashers seems to change every time someone looks at
> them. I don't have one, but I would struggle to believe a (full)
> dishwasher is less efficient than doing it by hand. But then, they say
> some people's showers run more water than having a bath, so...

I think the figures could be argued, but:

1. The dishwasher must be manufactured, from transported materials,
   at great energy cost. Also releasing toxins during the manufacture
   of plastices used.

2. Water for washing up can be heated by the sun, or by renewable
   wood grown locally.

3. I couldn't think of an inoffensive way to write about how
   lazy people seem to have become, so I'll just leave it at
   that :^P

> > Each of the above stances has attracted quite a bit of disagreement
> > from other free software supporters when I've expressed them.  I
> > sometimes wonder if computing is the only topic where most of us
> > agree.  Maybe that's not surprising, from the definition of the group.

Indeed, I thought that I was the only Welsh, vegan, Free Software 
programmer in the village until I ran into another one at PyCon ;-)

Back to Macs, I answered earlier, but failed to send properly,
my experiences with upgrading Apple hardware:

On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 08:26 +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
> >      2) not upgradable/tweekable,
> > 
> >    Tell that to my laptop running a bigger hard disk and more memory
> >    Apple shipped it with! If you want to put new gfx cards or
processors in,
> >    sure, go buy a noname intel box.
> Sure, you can put in a new hard disk and memory, but that's about
> all you can do. You cant replace the mainboard, processors, PSU etc.

I've got a 1995 beige PowerMac. 
It came with a 133MHz processor and, iirc, 64MB RAM.
Intel boxes of that year ranged from 66MHz 486s to 100MHz Pentiums,
usually shipping with 16MB RAM. However what's interesting is what's
happened to the boxes since. A few 486s still run as routers, but
most are dead and gone.

The PowerMac has had its processor upgraded - it sits in a
daughter card that slots into the motherboard, and upgrades
up to 1GHz G4 are available. It has 12 Dimm slots - each of which
will accept 128MB RAM, giving a possibility of 1.5GiB RAM, as
much as my fairly new ThinkPad.

It takes a PCI graphics card, so if I had a real need for 3D,
then I could drop in a Mac ATI card. PCI also means SATA, Firewire,
and USB2 is available. It already has SCSI.

iow a 13 year old computer is fast enough to run all
of today's productivity apps :-)

Of course many recent Apples aren't so upgradeable, but I
droppped a 120GB drive into my G4 iBook, and more memory,
which is as much as you need to do with a laptop. It ran
Debian, Ubuntu, and Gentoo as well as any other machine
that I've had - including Xinerama across internal and
external screen.

btw while Apple was on PPC, you could buy most of their 
products, including iPods, pre-installed with GNU from
Terrasoft - and the same now for the PS3.

[disclaimer, I'm not keen on Apple the company, but will
 give credit to good products]


 - Richard

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