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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases
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Tom Lord |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases |
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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:07:19 -0700 (PDT) |
> From: Colin Walters <address@hidden>
> On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 16:05 -0700, Tom Lord wrote [to jblack]:
> > You've also repeatedly expressed some hostility towards furth. I'm
> > quite puzzled by that and am starting to wonder if this is just some
> > kind of personality conflict or whether you have a good reason to be
> > hostile. So far as I know, you know almost nothing about furth.
> > Moreover, adding furth to tla can, in the medium term, result in less
> > and simpler code overall -- that should be fairly obvious. It's
> > unclear to me why you are so hostile to furth so perhaps you could
> > explain your engineering reasons so that they can be either refuted or
> > conceded to.
> To me the engineering reasons seem obvious. In large part it's a
> question of resources. You have spent a whole lot of time designing new
> languages, VMs, etc, when there is still an outstanding need for a
> security release of tla. On top of that there are a large number of
> outstanding changesets simply waiting to be reviewed from a number of
> people like Aaron, Johannes, Miles, and me. On top of that there are
> serious bugs that need to be fixed, like the id corruption bug, the
> inefficiency of "tag", race conditions in "tla add", etc. This whole
> discussion is just a big waste of time that could be much more
> productively spent on those real issues that have been reported by
> actual users.
It is a question of resources, you're quite right.
That is why people like asuffield have stepped forward to help
implement the proper solution: tools that will streamline the
processes and also prevent any one person from being a bottleneck.
That is also a large part of why I bumped up the priority on the
issues formerly known as "itla" with the work beginning with the
FEATURE PLAN posts and continuing in furth.
It's a classic case of having a problem X and a meta-problem Y such
that the absense of a solution for Y is most of the cause of X.
If that situation is expected to keep recurring, and you have only
resources to work on X -or- Y, then Y is the problem to work on.
If you want to provide at least one additional full-time programmer
for arch, then we can work on both X and Y at the same time.
-t
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Aaron Bentley, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Aaron Bentley, 2004/07/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Jan Hudec, 2004/07/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/21
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, James Blackwell, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Colin Walters, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases,
Tom Lord <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, James Blackwell, 2004/07/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Andrew Suffield, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/07/23
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Colin Walters, 2004/07/20
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Tom Lord, 2004/07/20
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Status of global and tree aliases, Phil Frost, 2004/07/20