Re: [Gnu-arch-users] quality, bazaar, arch, etc.

[Andrew Suffield]

On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 06:42:27PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>     Thomas> You are asking for a lot of labor to be spent to prove a
>     Thomas> case that some credible sources already see quite plainly.
> 
> Jose Marchesi I don't know, he may be credible but not to me.  You and
> Andrew I know and respect, but both of you have big blind spots around
> marketing and human resource management.

I don't have a blind spot about them, I simply detest them and avoid
going anywhere near them.

> Both of you are capable
> of convincing me, but your unsupported opinions are unreliable.

Personally I can't see the point in doing so; it's little more than a
historical curiosity.

> I'm far more
> interested in what's happening with bzr, which no longer looks much
> like Arch at all, and (based on the design notes, haven't read the
> code) seems to have gone past YAGNI to IDUIT (I Didn't Use It Today)
> as a criterion for removing interfaces.

I think it goes a little further than that, and their design process
is based on "do what I needed to do yesterday, in the hope that
someday I need to do it again". The problem with that is that if it
produces anything useful, it'll probably be by chance - it's little
more than a random walk. They also appear singularly uninterested in
the needs of anybody but Canonical, so again it falls to chance as to
whether they produce anything useful to anybody else.

> As the bzr stuff shows, there are plenty of people even among those
> attracted to Arch who really just want a better CVS.

Most people just work from muscle memory. It's a useless way to do
software engineering, but sadly a lot of people do it anyway, which is
why we get things like thedailywtf.com. That's also the explanation
for most of the crappy commercial software out there.

> [2]  Quite possibly Andrew is just shucking us, but if so he's doing
> you a disservice.

I'm not really sure what you mean here, but as a general rule my
interest in things is less than people think and for different
reasons.

-- 
Andrew Suffield

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