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Re: [arch-dev] Re: very old thread and the problems

From: Jim Choate
Subject: Re: [arch-dev] Re: very old thread and the problems
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:28:12 -0500 (CDT)


If I may be so bold...

Drop it, and then focus all this energy on working with those of us who do
have the resources to help arch grow. Then when Red Hat comes a calling
you can then be in a position to extract some revenge. What I would
suggest is that we focus this energy and release it to SuSE or any other
distro -BUT- Red Hat or one of its agents. You might even right such a
clause into the license.

I can say, as one of the two persons, who created the first Linux user
group in Texas (CT-LUG in '94) and somebody who has been working with Open
Source since FSF founded in 84/85, that this view as expressed by the
current Red Hat management is -not- Open Source culture, it is Capitalist
with a capital C. They will pay for their hubris.

What Red Hat -should- do is take -any- legitimate offer from -any- Open
Source developer, anything less is simple spin doctor bullshit.

May Red Hat rot in Hell (not my Hell though, please).

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Tom Lord wrote:

>       From: Michael Tiemann <>
>       > I think my message is pretty clear: I don't wish you any ill, and 
> won't
>       > stand in your way, but neither do I feel any compulsion or
>       > responsibility for your situation.  I would appreciate it if you 
> dropped
>       > me from this doesn't concern me.
> I soon shall, then, but no - your message is *not* clear.  It sounds
> like you are covering something up or not speaking forthrightly and,
> in my experience, when it becomes really important, those are unlikely
> courses for you to take.   So I am faced with this apparent
> contradiction between what I believe to be your very honorable values
> and your very dishonorable actions.
> Can you explain to me briefly why it should not concern you?  It
> relates to your nominal responsibilities as the CTO of Red Hat, and
> in awkward (hopefully less important) ways, to your past actions,
> during our past associations.
> It genuinely seems to me that helping me should be a no-brainer for
> you, for at the very least, the reason that the technology I have
> offered you is (easy for most any engineer to determine) very useful
> to Red Hat's advertised business goals.
> In that context, you seem *very much* to "wish me ill".
> -t
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