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Re: GNU License, Again
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mike3 |
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Re: GNU License, Again |
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25 May 2007 12:58:33 -0700 |
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On May 24, 1:52 pm, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <a...@gnu.org> wrote:
> On May 24, 2:01 am, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <a...@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > Asked and answered. Your code does not function without the GPL
> > > code in this scenario. Therefore it's a derivative of the GPL
> > > code. So your code must also be distributed under the GPL.
> > >
> > > The disconnect that happens in this discussion everytime it comes
> > > up (which BTW is about every other day) is thinking that if you
> > > add something to the existing collective of code, that somehow
> > > that it's not a part of that collective.
> >
> > But it seems that some GNUtians just keep saying "it only keeps
> > stuff that was already free, free", even though it does not -- it
> > makes _more_ code free.
> >
> > Again, the GPL does not create anything. You as the copyright holder
> > can only license something under a license, the GPL cannot. The GPL
> > simply sees that free code stays free, nothing more, nothing less.
> > Nobody can force you to licnese your work on the GPL, not even a
> > judge.
>
> I did not say it "created" anything. I said it "made code
> free". That means it causes code to acquire the status of being
> free, not creating new code, at least not directly. It cause the
> code of whatever project the GPLed code was used in to become free.
>
> It does not _cause_ anything, it cannot. And "make" means "create".
>
Well it requires one to make their code free if they want to use the
free code. How about that? That's what I have been trying to say!
> > And please do not call people names, it is rude.
>
> You mean the "GNUtian" thing? Well, alright, I'll drop it.
>
> Thank you.
>
You're welcome.
> > To keep things free, again, this was answered as well before.
>
> That does not jive! It is not simply "keeping" things free -- it is
> causing more things to become free.
>
> It doesn't cause anything. A judge cannot force you to make your
> software free software, neither can a license.
>
You're interpreting me too literally.
> I do not understand how requiring ADDITIONAL code be released
> if one wants to use the "free" code is *just* "keeping" code free --
> does not the quantity of free code in the world then increase?
>
> Because the resulting work is a deriviate work of a free program.
>
> Please, this has been explained to you several times over a course of
> a week. Now you are just wasting peoples time by being dense.
>
I know but it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. See below.
> If the only point is to keep code free, why demand that *additional*
> code be made free if one agrees to use the free code?
>
> To keep code free. If you take (unspecified license) work A and
> non-free work B to create C, then C is not free, neither is A. The
> GPL sees that A, in all its dependencies remains free.
How is A still not free even if A is released under a free license
by the same person who authored C while C is not? A does not
depend on B, B depends on A, by the way.
Maybe answering _that_ question could help clear up the
misunderstanding.
- Re: GNU License, Again, (continued)
- Re: GNU License, Again, Alexander Terekhov, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, David Kastrup, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, Alexander Terekhov, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, Richard Tobin, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, Alexander Terekhov, 2007/05/25
- Re: GNU License, Again, John Hasler, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, David Kastrup, 2007/05/24
- Re: GNU License, Again, John Hasler, 2007/05/24
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