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Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed
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Robert Heller |
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Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed |
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Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:51:08 -0500 |
At Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:09:49 +0100 Nigel Feltham <nigel.feltham@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>
> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>
> >
> > Nigel Feltham wrote:
> > [...]
> >> The only permission you have to make any extra copies of busybox is that
> >> provided by the GPL in exchange for following it's rules which specify
> >> that source has to be provided.
> >
> > But that's pure license/contract breach claim, not copyright
> > infringement. Consider also
> >
> > http://www.citizen.org/litigation/forms/cases/CaseDetails.cfm?cID=437
>
> It's both - copying software without permission is a copyright infringement
> and the only thing that gives you permission to do any copying of GPL
> software that isn't provided as part of normal copyright law is the GPL
> licence. If you breach the terms of the license then you no longer have
> permission to distribute copies of the software (other than on media
> provided by the copyright holder) so are infringing copyright law as well.
I think that the point of the citizen.org case (eBay vender vs
Autodesk), is that if you have A copy in your possesion, you have the
right to dispose of that copy (eg selling it). This is distint from
*making a copy* of the copy. The only way this is a copyright
infringement would be if you also had *made a copy* of the software
(which would probably include the copy made when installing the
software).
>
> This is the main reason companies who breach the terms of the GPL are
> normally so quick to resolve the situation (where just letting customers
> know where to get the source is enough) - until they comply with the
> licence they are distributing copies of the software without permission of
> the copyright holder and just giving customers a link to a sourcecode
> website is far easier than risking ending up in a copyright infringement
> court.
>
> This is also the main reason SCO chickened out of their attempt to
> invalidate the GPL - they presumably realised that if the GPL is invalid
> then they never had permission to distribute the code and had committed
> mass piracy of every GPL licenced product they've ever distributed. Either
> the licence is valid and they're complying with it's terms or they're
> pirates, hard to argue that the licence doesn't exist under those
> circumstances.
>
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- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Alexander Terekhov, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Nigel Feltham, 2009/10/11
- http://www.citizen.org/join/, Alexander Terekhov, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed,
Robert Heller <=
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Alexander Terekhov, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Robert Heller, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Alexander Terekhov, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, David Kastrup, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, Alexander Terekhov, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, David Kastrup, 2009/10/10
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, amicus_curious, 2009/10/11
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, David Kastrup, 2009/10/11
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, amicus_curious, 2009/10/11
- Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed, David Kastrup, 2009/10/11