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Re: Swiss govt agency declares Linux/OSS crapware "not a sufficientalter

From: Alan Mackenzie
Subject: Re: Swiss govt agency declares Linux/OSS crapware "not a sufficientalternative to Microsoft products"
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:36:17 +0000 (UTC)
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In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov <> wrote:

> Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>> In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov <> wrote:

>> > Geistiges Eigentum in German is what "intellectual property" in
>> > English you silly.

>> What an amazing assertion!  Do you have any evidence to back that up?

> I've already provided the "evidence" silly.

Yes, as you frequently do, but I was thinking more about evidence

>> "Geistig" does not mean "intellectual", except as a subsidiary
>> meaning.  Its primary meaning is "spiritual" or "religious", or
>> perhaps "mental".  As I said, "geistig" is cognate with "ghostly".

>> >

>> > "Unter Geistigem Eigentum (auch intellektuelles Eigentum, engl.
>> > intellectual property) werden absolute Rechte an immateriellen
>> > Guetern verstanden.

>> Yes.  "Immateriellen Guetern" = "ghostly goods" or "immaterial goods" or
>> "goods lacking any substance".  It cannot be "intellectual property".

> Intellectual property is a form of intangible property you idiot.

Don't be imbecillic - intangible stuff isn't property.

> Stocks and bonds are other forms of intangible property.

No.  Stocks and bonds are tangible - they're things which have a definite
, if varying, value and can be readily exchanged for that value in

>> > Geistiges Eigentum wird daher auch als Immaterialgueterrecht
>> > bezeichnet.  Inhaber eines solchen Rechts ist z. B. der Anmelder
>> > eines Patents oder der Schoepfer eines urheberrechtlichen Werks. "

>> Seems likely.  But there's no "property" anywhere in all that.  There's
>> copyright, which is an abstract right, not anything of any material
>> substance.

> All the euros on your bank account is your intangible property silly.

> No?

No.  "in", not "on", and "are", not "is".  All the euros in my bank
account are a number of metal disks 2.3 cm in diameter, if an
inconveniently large number, all perfectly tangible.

> regards,
> alexander.

Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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