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NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 12 October 2010 Lisp NYC: Hank Williams on the Death

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Subject: NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 12 October 2010 Lisp NYC: Hank Williams on the Death of the Relational Database
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:03:33 -0000

  what="official Lisp NYC announcement"
  also="the NYLUG Hack Gathering meets on the same day
        Tuesday 12 October 2010
        starting 6:00 pm at the
        NY Public Library Hudson Park Branch
        66 Leroy Street
        NY NY 10014

 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:50:57 -0400
 From: heow <>
 To: LispNYC <>
 Subject: [Lisp] Lisp Meeting: October 12th, 7:0[0 at Trinity

 Join us Tuesday, Oct 12th from 7:00 to 9:00 at Trinity Lutheran Church

 Hank Williams Presents: Death of the Relational Database

      People have begun to realize the enormous gap between the
      relational database abstraction and the way people actually
      think about information. To be clear, I am not suggesting
      that relational databases will stop being used or that they
      are going to go away, but that developers are going to stop
      thinking of their data in relational database terms.

      Everyone from regular users to sophisticated developers
      thinks about information in a pretty simple way. There are
      objects, and there are connections or relationships between
      objects. For example if you have two objects, a cup and a
      table, the relationship between them might be "sitting on",
      indicating that the cup is sitting on the table. What makes
      this model so sturdy is that we can continuously add new
      objects: tables, cups, chairs, floors, table cloths,
      etc. And we can add infinite relationships, such as sitting
      on, sitting under, covering, etc. Computer scientists, and
      now, thanks to Facebook, everybody else, refers to this
      structure as a graph.

      New data models such as the graph provide new ways to think
      about persisting data. The death of the relational database
      means the death of the relational database *abstraction* as
      a way that programmers think about data. What programmers
      need is to model data in the most natural way possible, and
      we are starting to see storage abstractions that are closer
      to how humans think instead of how computers need to.

      1. What is wrong with the relational database model.

      2. What are some of the important differences between
         databases in the non-relational landscape (mongoDB,
         flockDB, couchDB, cassandra, hbase etc)

      3. What are some examples of new types of applications made
         possible by the non-relational model and specifically the
         graph database approach.

      4. When can you not get away from relational technology just

      5. How does the Semantic Web relate to the issue of
         non-relational databases, and why hasn't it become
         successful yet.

      Listen to Hank Williams describe his Lisp system that
      natively supports these higher level abstractions such
      as authorization, event notification and user-executable
      code inside the traditional domain of what used to be
      called "the database".

 Hank Williams has spent his professional career making products,
 including Clickradio, an early Internet music service, and DayMaker,
 one of the first personal information managers (address book,
 scheduling, task, notes, etc.)  for the Mac.

 He is now working on a new data and web development platform that will
 change humanity as we know it.


 Directions to Trinity:

 Trinity Lutheran
 602 E. 9th St. & Ave B, on Thomkins Square Park

       * From the N,R,W (8th Street NYU Stop) and the 6 (Astor Place
 Stop): Walk East 4 blocks on St. Marks, cross Thomkins Square Park.
       * From the F&V (2nd Ave Stop): Walk E one or two blocks, turn north
 for 8 short blocks
       * From the L (1st Ave Stop): Walk E one block, turn south for 5
 short blocks
       * From bus lines: The M9 drops you off at the doorstep and the M15
 is near, just get off at St. Marks & 1st Ave.
       * To get there by car: Take the FDR (East River Drive) to Houston
 then go NW till you're at 9th & B. Week-night parking isn't bad at all,
 but if you're paranoid about your Caddy or in a hurry, there is a
 parking garage on 9th between 1st and 3rd Ave.

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