Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

[Alexandre François Garreau]

Le samedi 22 février 2020, 21:10:33 CET Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> Alexandre François Garreau, le sam. 22 févr. 2020 19:21:18 +0100, a 
ecrit:
> > I recall some of them (likely one of those you’re thinking about is
> > the
> > same as I),
> 
> Possibly.

FDN right?

> > > > you prefer to “aknowledge” this “will have to be done at some
> > > > point”.  Is if there wasn’t any middle ground for compromision
> > > > there.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes you can't find any.
> > 
> > No, you can’t know.
> 
> Strictly speaking, sure, but at some point when things only get worse
> and worse, it's way better to resort to exclusion than continuing to see
> a project get stuck due to only one person, even if with several dozen
> years you might find a solution.

I’m more arguing about solution-finding that “no you’re wrong it’s better 
to get stuck”.

However I’m still dubitative about the fact a single person could get ALL 
A PROJECT project stuck alone, without exception.  If the only way is then 
to make the person gone… well that’s then a fragile project with a fragile 
social structure…

even if exclusion looks like it solved anything, to me this is only 
appearance… in a world where cointelpro existed… I wish we would work to 
more resilient social structures.

> > > > The idea of shared kill/blacklist or /ignore have been already
> > > > proposed. That solves it.
> > > 
> > > Not necessarily for less strong people. Just leaving out is simpler
> > > than having to yet again set up some filters and everything.
> > 
> > If it could be automatic, nope, it would *even politically* be more
> > simple, if it was decentralized (yet automatic).  Think of a WoT of
> > blacklists, for instance.
> 
> How different is this from exclusion?

It is different in that that anybody have the free choice of moderation, or 
not.  You could have your own moderation filters overriding those of your 
trusted friends, you could change the amount of trust you give to each, 
etc.

The simplest thing is a boolean: moderation / no-moderation.  That already 
would be really good.

Only then people would begin to actually realize that moderation is 
subjective, and not obvious.