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Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role)
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Max Techter |
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Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role) |
Date: |
08 May 2003 18:21:47 +0200 |
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Neil Jerram <address@hidden> writes:
> >>>>> "Ricard" == Ricard Mira <address@hidden> writes:
>
>
> Ricard> As a user who is learning Scheme to customize and extend
> Ricard> Guile-using programs, I expect the Guile documentation to
> Ricard> contain a section for each programming language (C and
> Ricard> Scheme for sure; translated languages maybe). Then I need
^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ricard> to read just the Scheme section (and maybe also a general
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ricard> introduction).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
snip
What about a tutorial, Ricard?
Hi,
I am new to guile,
my name is max.
I came across guile, when I gathered information about:
What makes up a GNU Package.
As I got it:
The decision was and is:
The GNU Glue, should be GUILE.
Being interested in providing my own stuff to the GNU
Project and/or in giving help to another GNU Package,
I accepted the need to dive into GUILE.
Thus I naturally had an eye on this thread
about the need of restructuring and improving the
documentation.
> My latest thinking is that we could be a lot more concrete, even
> proscriptive, about what Guile is for and how people should use it,
> and that if we did so it would be a lot easier to clearly assess the
> state of the documentation and to finish it off.
> (Right now, IMO, it is difficult even to describe the
> documentation status.)
My first impression was:
Oops...
such an important project, but obviously
abandoned...
The documentation is one of the first important
impressions a (potential) user gets.
I typically look out for a tutorial, immediately
after installation. Not to learn, but to find out:
is this something for me?
>
> Specifically, I think we should (**) promote doing as much programming
> as possible in Scheme,
Yeah.
> and restrict documentation of the C API to the
> parts needed for interfacing Scheme to C code.
snip
Yeah.
> , I think the natural high level documentation structure
> would then be:
>
I am missing, things like:
* Tutorial
* Introduction
** Background, History
** Advantages
...
Basic Concepts, or whatever
* Rational / Advocacy
** nothing you can`t do with lisp like
languages,
** hackable, short path to C
** scientific background
* GOOPS
(proof of the `nothing you can`t do
statement)
* R5RS
* Other freely available or even included documentation
(Some of these sections need not be high volume
but they serve important purposes.)
> - Scheme reference documentation - more or less like the current Part
> IV, but Scheme only, not C.
> - Task-based documentation describing everything needed for aspects of
> interfacing with C code:
Task based structuring the meat of the documentation
is an idea I like, Neil.
That`s what we use software for:
Solving Tasks
(beside for having incredible fun, of cause =:)
> - writing and exporting primitives (in modules)
> - smobs, GC, lifetimes etc.
> - Guile initialization from within a library
> - how to call out to a Scheme-defined procedure
> - how to look up a Scheme-defined variable
> - how to evaluate user-supplied code and catch errors
> - (anything else that I've missed).
> Which has something in common with your thoughts.
>
> That's what I'm thinking now, anyway. I think (**) may be quite
> controversial,
> so that at least needs a lot more discussion first.
Here we are...
regards
max.
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), (continued)
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Rob Browning, 2003/05/08
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Wolfgang Jaehrling, 2003/05/08
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Neil Jerram, 2003/05/08
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Rob Browning, 2003/05/08
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), David Van Horn, 2003/05/09
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Neil Jerram, 2003/05/10
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Rob Browning, 2003/05/15
- Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Paul Jarc, 2003/05/15
Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role),
Max Techter <=
Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Neil Jerram, 2003/05/08
Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), Max Techter, 2003/05/09
Re: Doc organization (Re: Around again, and docs lead role), tomas, 2003/05/09