Re: Questions regarding Python packaging

[Lars-Dominik Braun]

Hi Ryan,

> I think if we do that then Python will need a treatment similar to GCC,
> where we don't expose the package and instead offer a compound package
> (could be called "python-toolchain" or just "python") which includes pip
> and setuptools. The last decades of python packaging have trained people
> that when you install python you get pip and setuptools as well, I think
> we should not try to be too clever and violate that assumption.
this change is actually more about moving forward and adding PEP 517
support to python-build-system. Being able to demote setuptools and pip
to ordinary packages is merely a side-effect, because they’re not
essential any more.

Your mail seems to be incomplete, it stopped after:
> Also, for what it's worth, we already have python-minimal which doesn't
> have pip, and it's only  

Cheers,
Lars